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Sorry mis wrote the title, it should be Klingon Empire AND the Federation.  

In DS9 the Empire is not allied to the Federation. ¿If you all remember they put Worf on trial cause the Empire tried to get him kicked from the Federation for being the only Klingon serving in the Federation. ¿So my questions are.......

1. Will the empire and the federation be allied in STO ?

2. If not then how can klingons be accepted into the federation ?

3. If they are accepted, will the Empire do the same with them as they did with worf, try to get them kicked from the federation as well ?

I am by no means an expert on Star Trek so I would like some expert opinions on this plz.

Since the Khitomer massacre the Federation and Kilingon Empire have been allies.  They where at war with one another detailed in the show DS9, and later became allies again, and have remained so ever since.  

Worf's situation is unique.  He is "apparently" one of a few Klingons that are Federation citizens.  He was orphaned during the Khitomer event and was adopted by a Starfleet NCO.  Since he was a Federation citizen he can join Starfleet without special permission or sponsorship.  

In the Voyager series B'Lanna Torres lived on a Federation colony with her klingon mother.  This implies that other klingons may be citizens of both Kilngon Empire and the Federation.  

So yes, you should be able to be a klingon in Starfleet.  If the ferengi can get in, anyone can as long as they are sponsored.  So a Klingon youth may come to a starfleet officer or Federation official and request admittance to Starfleet academy.  If that sponsor chooses to do so they can sponsor a non-Federation citizen for application into Starfleet academy.  

What you are thinking of is Federation membership, like what B'Jor is doing.  The Klingons are not interested in joining the Federation, and the Federation would not accept the Klingon empire as it is.  Many of the laws and social conduct of the Klingons are considered illegal and immoral by Federation standards, and go against many of the charters.  

For instance Klingons have a rigid caste system in place.  

For now, the two are staunch allies, and good friends.  

God I feel like such a geek that I know all this stuff.

The devs said in the FAQ Klingons will be part of starfleet...unfortunatly, i like them but I honestly think a ton of people will be Klingies now. Oh and Khitomer massacre? I thought Khitomer was the planet where they finally had peace, in Undiscovered Country. (Star Trek 6 I think)

Hold on while I engage Geek Factor 6.

http://www.startrek.com/startrek/view/library/ships/article/71820.html

Intrepid, U.S.S. (NCC-38907)
Episode: TNG 178 - Family

Excelsior-class Federation starship, registry no. NCC-38907. On Stardate 23859.7 (2346), the Intrepid was the first ship from Starfleet on the scene after the Romulan massacre at the Klingon outpost Khitomer. A warp engineer, Sergey Rozhenko, adopted the lone survivor, 6-year-old Worf.

After the massacre, and the Klingons owned the Romulans, the Federation and Klingon empire, signed the Khitomer Accords, which was drawn up by a couple of Star Trek favorites.  Forgot guys name, but he was a Klingon badguy from the original series.  And on the Federation side, Kurzon Dax.  Later became Jadzia Dax of DS9, and best friend to Captain Benjamin Sisko the most awesome Starfleet captain ever!

Disengaging Geek Drive.  

*takes a shower*

But what I am talking about came way way after TNG series. ¿In DS9 the Klingons and Federation are not allies from what I remember, they just have common interests. ¿But the Klingons have and will stoop to lower lvls for the good of the Empire. ¿

They tried to put Worf on trial and get him booted out of the frederation. ¿ I might have my time lines messed up but this was when Worf was a commander if i remember correctly on DS9. ¿He used the defiant and fired on a klingon ship and if I remember correctly the klingons said there where children and cilvians on that ship and worf fired on it for no reason. Sisco came to Worfs rescue and exposed the klingons. ¿All this happened way way after the khitomer fight.

**Little off subject **If they allow the klingons to be in the federation, then they should allow the Romalins to be in the federation.  After all in the last TNG movie Picard was going to be heading up peace talks with them.

Harmond its not as simple as that lol. The Klingons have been at peace with the Fed for a while besides the little fighting. MAny groups of Klingons in the Empire are ok with aiding the them whil eothers would prefer the death of them. Completely diff in Romulan Empire. Remember that most people in the Rom. Emp. have never seen a human/federation person unless in a warbird along the neutral zone, and propoganda has given everyone a view of the Fed. as terrible and well really bad. This whole peace thing will most likely go down the tubes. Most people know the current storyline, something huge is gonna happen. Im guessing, which doesnt mean its fact lol, that the ROm Empire will take advantage of the Federation backing down, and attack them.

Anyways, you cant really say much about the future of the Rom. Empire since Nemesis. I could see a few romulan rebels (theyve been around since TNG) joining the Fed. but not hundreds or thousands.

Oh and DS9 took place around TNG, actualyl the TNG show for 3 years ran during te first 3 years of DS9, or something like that. Its on the website.

it isnt easy for the romulans to be in the federation as it is for Klingons, the klingons have had years of years of peace and cooperation with the fedration while the romulans would even speak to them without accusing the federation of deceit so if they are now allies it would at least take roughly the same amount of time before they started working on each others ships just to prove no-one is going to infiltrate each respective faction

and in the last movie it was not Picard who headed up the peace talks it was Riker on the Titan with his new taskforce

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and in the last movie it was not Picard who headed up the peace talks it was Riker on the Titan with his new taskforce

I know this, but after DS9 and also the battle in TNG last movie I just feel that the peace talks are going better.  After all isnt this game 20 years after the last movie ?

Talking about the game, not the series or movies.  To answer your questions to the best of my knowledge.

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2. If not then how can klingons be accepted into the federation ?

Really can't see how they couldn't be when you consider the storyline mentioned by previous posters and the fact that there is only one faction at launch and that's the Federation (not getting into the sub factions mentioned within the federation)

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3. If they are accepted, will the Empire do the same with them as they did with worf, try to get them kicked from the federation as well

While nothing has been mentioned to that effect I think it would add some excellent content and provide opportunities for the character's friends to come help him/her out.

1. Will the empire and the federation be allied in STO ?
2375 - Dominion war ends, Worf agrees to become the Federation Ambassador to Kronos. General Martok becomes Chancellor.
The two movies, Insurrection and Nemesis occur after DS9 and some how Worf is still on the Enterprise. I speculate he becomes Ambassador after his tour on the Enterprise. That being the case you have two important figures that will keep the UFP and Klingon Empire stout Allies.

2. If not then how can klingons be accepted into the federation ?
Perpetual answers this:

Stardate 77021.1
In the twenty years since the infamous Shinzon Affair, the United Federation of Planets' vision of intergalactic harmony has edged tantalizingly close to becoming a reality.

Negotiations with the Romulan Star Empire, at an impasse for more than a generation, have recently accelerated due to a series of unexpected concessions on the part of the Romulans. Though many within the Federation suspect their old foes are up to something, most see the breakthrough as the result of the galaxy-renowned diplomatic skills of a certain 94-year-old Terran Ambassador.

The Klingon Empire, once the Federation's greatest foe, is now one of their staunchest allies. Though some (notably the recently-restored House of Duras) rail against the reduced role of the Empire in the affairs of the galaxy, most Klingons believe the Federation to be an honorable (if somewhat thin-blooded) partner. Nowhere is this attitude more prevalent than in the acolytes of Miral Paris, the alleged Klingon 'kuvah'magh,' who have chosen to join Starfleet in the young prophet's footsteps.

3. If they are accepted, will the Empire do the same with them as they did with worf, try to get them kicked from the federation as well ?
Perpetual answers this:

After getting the results of our survey, however, it became apparent that a not-insignificant portion of audience really really REALLY wants to play as a Klingon. So we took another look at the canon, and up popped Miral Paris. You should have seen Glen's eyes light up.

Thanks to the kuvah'magh sect, we believe we've found a plot device that a) explains the presence of Klingons within Starfleet, b) maintains the integrity of the Klingon Empire faction for a possible STO expansion, and c) launches a number of intriguing subplots about the doings on the Klingon High Council. All in all, we believe it's an across-the-board win.

3a. But what I am talking about came way way after TNG series. ?In DS9 the Klingons and Federation are not allies from what I remember, they just have common interests. ?

Following the violent explosion of an energy production facility on the Klingon moon of Praxis, the collapse of the Klingon Empire is considered imminent. In 2293, the United Federation of Planets decides that this is the opportunity to finally negotiate a true, lasting peace with the Klingons.

2372 - After the peace treaty between the Federation and the Klingon Empire comes to an end, Sisko is instrumental in convincing Lieutenant Commander Worf to stay with Starfleet. He also convinces Gowron to stand down during the Klingons' invasion of Cardassia.
2373 - After Cardassia joins the Dominion, Sisko convinces Chancellor Gowron to reinstate the Klingon/Federation treaty

So to answer your questions is , Yes they are allies.

About the storyline, though its not on the official website. It was somewhere, wlel i forgot, but they mention that the peace negotiations are right be for something huge and terrible.

Stardate 77021.1: As the 25th century approaches, the military conflicts that have plagued the galaxy for untold generations appear to be coming to an end. The prime architect of this unprecedented era of peace, the United Federation of Planets, has begun beating its phasers into plowshares, and set its gaze towards further exploration of the new frontiers first discovered by adventurous voyagers with names like Picard, Sisko, Janeway, and Kirk.

Years later, Andorian poets will describe this time as the "En'ock tu Ch'enock," roughly translated as "The Calm before the Inferno."

its on perpetual.com

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Negotiations with the Romulan Star Empire, at an impasse for more than a generation, have recently accelerated due to a series of unexpected concessions on the part of the Romulans. Though many within the Federation suspect their old foes are up to something, most see the breakthrough as the result of the galaxy-renowned diplomatic skills of a certain 94-year-old Terran Ambassador. After getting the results of our survey, however, it became apparent that a not-insignificant portion of audience really really REALLY wants to play as a Klingon. So we took another look at the canon, and up popped Miral Paris. You should have seen Glen's eyes light up.

I have two questions for you on your reply here.

1. Do you work for P.E. ? ¿It just seems you know Glen is why I ask.


2. Do you think that in some expansion that we will be able to play the romulans ? ¿If they where a choice to start STO with in the federation, I would be one. ¿Think of the roleplaying you could do being one of the first Romulans in the federation.


BTW great stuff here, thank you all for clearing this up on the Empire.  I like watching any Star Trek but it is hard for me to keep up with what time line goes with what series.

No I Wish ¿ ^ ^

Just a keen observer of the DEV notes like STOCaptain01 seems also to be.

What are the playable factions?
At launch all players will be part of the Federation with playable opposing factions coming via expansions. Players will be able to align themselves with one of a number of both mainstream and fringe groups within Starfleet. A player's alignment will have an affect on the types of missions available as well as access to unique technology and racial equipment.

I forgot to add what playable races will be:

Vulcan, Bolian, Human, Andorian, Cardassian, Tellarite, Bajoran, Klingon, and Ferengi!

??? On the first list they also had unjoined Trill but it seems like it was removed from the new list.