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CaptainKirk8629

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Report this Sep. 11 2006, 10:48 pm

It sort of is a replacement. The Enterprise-B...

I still do not get what looks so cool about the freedom.

DeDFred

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Report this Sep. 12 2006, 9:47 pm

Quote (CaptainKirk8629 @ Sep. 11 2006, 10:48 pm)
I still do not get what looks so cool about the freedom.

Looks have nothing to do with a ships fuction.

When I aired this thread months ago. I was merely telling fo a need for smaller support ships.

I prefer to fly destroyers, not crusiers, not firgates, not light, heavy, or medium.

The Salidin is my fav ship, but in the STO timeline, she is way to old, and outdated. So I sought out the modern equivalent.

The Freedom (tho a light crusier) was it.  

I will captain a destroyer. It is my best distiny. I dont care what it looks like. Even one of the 4 nacelle jobs.

Canon source

http://memory-alpha.org/en/wiki/Destroyer_Units

Id also like to believe I can find a Salidin in a scrap yard somewhere, and retrofit her as my privately owned ship.

Some of my fleet members are light crusier captains, they will take the Freedom, or the highest rated NLC that they can find.
They prefer that displacement over the bigger uber ships.

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Report this Oct. 10 2006, 8:19 pm

Quote (DeDFred @ May 28 2006, 2:10 pm)
Fredom class ship


This is the ship, I wish to earn and fly for ever.

Please make it..... So!

You won't be able to go to warp or even impulse without damaging every systems onboard. There is no deflector dish.

Miquai

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Report this Oct. 12 2006, 10:25 pm

Quote (Soval4e @ Oct. 10 2006, 5:19 pm)
Quote (DeDFred @ May 28 2006, 2:10 pm)
Fredom class ship


This is the ship, I wish to earn and fly for ever.

Please make it..... So!

You won't be able to go to warp or even impulse without damaging every systems onboard. There is no deflector dish.

That's true, but how do Klingon, Romulan, Borg, Species 8472, etc. ships survive in space?

Aiten

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Report this Oct. 12 2006, 11:25 pm

I guess they dont in reality.  Although the deflector dish could indeed be a Starfleet quick fix that they never ended up replacing, as Starfleet is the only group that have D/Dishes.

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Report this Oct. 13 2006, 8:51 am

Mr. DeDFred,

You're an idiot.

Firstly, just to point out something, the deflector dish appears to be mounted just above the warp nacelle, mostly visible on the side view: http://www.trekmania.net/the_fleet/utopia/others/freedom.jpg

Anyway, lets make some analysis of the image posted in the original post. If you want some kind of reference to some of these points, you can find the relevant articles here: http://www.lcarscom.net/fsd/operations.html
- The single warp nacelle would tear the ship to shreds, as it wouldn't be able to create a stable warp field.
- The mounting of the nacelle directly on the neck would probably, well...kill everybody on those lower decks whenever the ship went to warp. Assuming that the ship itself magically managed to survive warp in the first place.
- That ship has NO impulse engines on it. You say it maneuvers entirely by thrusters and can out accelerate a Galaxy? Not even Q could make that ship out accelerate a Galaxy. I don't even want to imagine how bad it's maneuverability would be without impulse engines.
- Because the ship has no impulse engines, it'd be screwed if it had to eject its warp core, as ships tend to bleed off power from the impulse engines when necessary. On battery power alone I doubt it'd last very long...
- The "fix" of impulse engines on the other model you posted doesn't quite solve the problem. They seem like extremely small impulse engines for a ship that size/shape/mass. Also, neither model shows any maneuvering thrusters...
- That ship couldn't outgun a Defiant if it tried. I wont even bother explaining why.
- It's a pure kitbash. The saucer section is obviously not the size of a Galaxy class, but on the second model they still have the door of the main shuttlebay on there. I doubt a shuttle could even fit in there.
- The windows on the bridge module are surprisingly small compared to the rest of the ship. I don't even want to imagine how cramped it must be on there...unless you're a hobbit.
- Why can it go faster than a Galaxy class at warp with only one warp nacelle and a smaller warp core (which it needs if it's going to have any reasonable chance of fitting a warp core in that ship at all)?

You seem to regard this ship as an "uber ship", when it obviously is far from it, and looks ugly to boot. It's simply an insult to compare this ship to the likes of the Galaxy and Defiant, which are on the whole much more superior ships, much more realistic (well, in the case of the Galaxy anyway), and both probably hold superior tactical advantages over any number of Freedom class ships.

Oh, and as for your supposed "experience" with starship combat. ITS A GAME! Games aren't realistic, games are different from each other, and game's cant be used as a basis for eternal knowledge of everything. I've played about 10-20 years of FPS games, but that doesn't mean I know more about FPS games than anyone else, nor does it mean that I'm prepared to shoot a gun in real life. But in all honesty, what's to say you have more experience than someone who's been roleplaying for 20 years? They've been researching the finer points of Trek, tend to know more about ship systems than you ever could, etc. You're just a showoff who thinks his 10-20 years (dude, a 10 year gap is a REALLY big gap - can't you make your goddamn mind up?) experience playing a board game makes you better than everybody here.

You didn't even have the thought to properly research starship components before proclaiming this such a good ship. Fred, when STO comes around, or at least if you ever have a go at PvP, you're going to get your ### severely handed to you by tons of people. People who aren't relying on flaky tactics and bodged knowledge in a fight. People capable of learning from their mistakes, from the experiences of others, and just generally learning. Couple that with the fact that you seem to have NO sense for cooperation whatsoever...what can I say? Good luck finding a crew, you're going to need it.

Miquai

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Report this Oct. 13 2006, 8:03 pm

Quote (Hemmole @ Oct. 13 2006, 5:51 am)
- The single warp nacelle would tear the ship to shreds, as it wouldn't be able to create a stable warp field.
- The mounting of the nacelle directly on the neck would probably, well...kill everybody on those lower decks whenever the ship went to warp. Assuming that the ship itself magically managed to survive warp in the first place.

Hey, this is a canon starship (it has appeared on screen), so the warp nacelles work fine.  It might be a bit dated for the STO time period, and I agree that it has no chance vs. a Defiant-class ship, but it can fly.

Hemmole

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Report this Oct. 14 2006, 5:14 am

Canon for all of two episodes. Since it was basically thrown together for the graveyard scene in Best of Both Worlds, pretty much zero thought went into its building. They didn't need a ship that could fly, they just needed a ship that could look dead.

As for its appearance in All Good Things, it wouldn't have appeared there if it wasn't for the graveyard model being created in the first place - they would have gone and found some other model. Also, Q was all over that episode...

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Report this Oct. 14 2006, 5:23 am

For ships which have a cylindrical, or similar, secondary hull the front is the perfect place to house the deflector emitters. The parabolic dish which alot of people seem to think is the deflector is just a diaphragm through which the deflector emits its beam, the deflector is behind it and not connected in any way, whatever FC shows to the contrary.

Ships which dont have cylindrical, or similar, secondary hulls including Klingon and Romulan vessels still have the emitters but they just dont have the diaphragm cover.

Also Federation vessels with removable primary hulls also have a medium power emitter capable of working throughout the warp envelope mounted in the forward section of the primary hull.

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Report this Oct. 27 2006, 5:48 am

will there be borg in star trek online? if you get this qwestion could you please
put it on the the faq on your star trek online web page?

Xenesis

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Report this Oct. 27 2006, 10:37 am

Quote (kilnerpie770 @ Oct. 27 2006, 5:48 am)
will there be borg in star trek online? if you get this qwestion could you please
put it on the the faq on your star trek online web page?

They won't be a playable race, but maybe we'll see them in a mission or invasion. They know people are very interested in them though, from the polls they conducted last year.

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