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Rulerzigzag

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Report this May. 09 2006, 3:19 pm

I assume 5 out of 100 people heard of them. But I hope im wrong. Psychologists worldwide are determined to figure out if this generation is indeed a more evolved form of human. if you were born after 1968, then it's possible that you have certain characteristics or a personality similair to what describes an indigo child. After the baby boomers, after 68 and 69, when all the new drugs were introduced to americans by the way, Children are labled indigo gen. by scientists and psychologists. Now, im going to post some attributes that indigos are born with, and it's up to the person to unlock their talents. Indigos must make the revealation or they are just going to wind up being ordinary joes. Does the following describe you ????

They come into the world with a feeling of royalty (and often act like it).
They have a feeling of "deserving to be here," and are surprised when others don't share that.
Self-worth is not a big issue; they often tell the parents "who they are."
They have difficulty with absolute authority (authority without explanation or choice).
They simply will not do certain things; for example, waiting in line is difficult for them.
They get frustrated with systems that are ritually oriented and don't require creative thought.
They often see better ways of doing things, both at home and in school, which makes them seem like "system busters" (nonconforming to any system).
They seem antisocial unless they are with their own kind. If there are no others of like consciousness around them, they often turn inward, feeling like no other human understands them. School is often extremely difficult for them socially.
They will not respond to "guilt" discipline ("Wait till your father gets home and finds out what you did").
They are not shy in letting it be known what they need.
Wendy H. Chapman, says that Indigo Children will display many of the following:

Have strong self esteem, connection to source
Know they belong here until they are told otherwise
Have an obvious sense of self
Have difficulty with discipline and authority
Refuse to follow orders or directions
Find it torture to waiting in lines, lack patience
Get frustrated by ritual-oriented systems that require little creativity
Often see better ways of doing thing at home and at school
Are mostly nonconformists
Do not respond to guilt trips, want good reasons
Get bored rather easily with assigned tasks
Are rather creative
Are easily distractible, can do many things at once
Display strong intuition
Have strong empathy for others or NO empathy
Develop abstract thinking very young
Are gifted and/or talented, highly intelligent
Are often identified or suspected of having ADD or ADHD, but can focus when they want to
Are talented daydreamers and visionaries
Have very old, deep, wise looking eyes
Have spiritual intelligence and/or psychic skills
Often express anger outwardly rather than inwardly and may have trouble with rage
Need our support to discover themselves
Are here to change the world - to help us live in greater harmony and peace with one another and to raise the vibration of the planet
Some critics believe that these traits are not unique and are observable in most children, but adherents believe that this new type of child has come forward for a reason; most often suggested is that they will improve the world in some way. The changes generally discussed involve bringing peace, toppling corrupt institutions, and a shift from allopathic medicine to a greater understanding of more natural alternatives. Indigo Children are more in touch with something called the "universal truth".

lanceromega

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Report this May. 09 2006, 3:22 pm

Quote (Rulerzigzag @ May 08 2006, 4:19 pm)
I assume 5 out of 100 people heard of them. But I hope im wrong. Psychologists worldwide are determined to figure out if this generation is indeed a more evolved form of human. if you were born after 1968, then it's possible that you have certain characteristics or a personality similair to what describes an indigo child. After the baby boomers, after 68 and 69, when all the new drugs were introduced to americans by the way, Children are labled indigo gen. by scientists and psychologists. Now, im going to post some attributes that indigos are born with, and it's up to the person to unlock their talents. Indigos must make the revealation or they are just going to wind up being ordinary joes. Does the following describe you ????

They come into the world with a feeling of royalty (and often act like it).
They have a feeling of "deserving to be here," and are surprised when others don't share that.
Self-worth is not a big issue; they often tell the parents "who they are."
They have difficulty with absolute authority (authority without explanation or choice).
They simply will not do certain things; for example, waiting in line is difficult for them.
They get frustrated with systems that are ritually oriented and don't require creative thought.
They often see better ways of doing things, both at home and in school, which makes them seem like "system busters" (nonconforming to any system).
They seem antisocial unless they are with their own kind. If there are no others of like consciousness around them, they often turn inward, feeling like no other human understands them. School is often extremely difficult for them socially.
They will not respond to "guilt" discipline ("Wait till your father gets home and finds out what you did").
They are not shy in letting it be known what they need.
Wendy H. Chapman, says that Indigo Children will display many of the following:

Have strong self esteem, connection to source
Know they belong here until they are told otherwise
Have an obvious sense of self
Have difficulty with discipline and authority
Refuse to follow orders or directions
Find it torture to waiting in lines, lack patience
Get frustrated by ritual-oriented systems that require little creativity
Often see better ways of doing thing at home and at school
Are mostly nonconformists
Do not respond to guilt trips, want good reasons
Get bored rather easily with assigned tasks
Are rather creative
Are easily distractible, can do many things at once
Display strong intuition
Have strong empathy for others or NO empathy
Develop abstract thinking very young
Are gifted and/or talented, highly intelligent
Are often identified or suspected of having ADD or ADHD, but can focus when they want to
Are talented daydreamers and visionaries
Have very old, deep, wise looking eyes
Have spiritual intelligence and/or psychic skills
Often express anger outwardly rather than inwardly and may have trouble with rage
Need our support to discover themselves
Are here to change the world - to help us live in greater harmony and peace with one another and to raise the vibration of the planet
Some critics believe that these traits are not unique and are observable in most children, but adherents believe that this new type of child has come forward for a reason; most often suggested is that they will improve the world in some way. The changes generally discussed involve bringing peace, toppling corrupt institutions, and a shift from allopathic medicine to a greater understanding of more natural alternatives. Indigo Children are more in touch with something called the "universal truth".

Too much art Bell ¿:laugh: ¿:laugh: ¿:laugh:

lanceromega

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Report this May. 09 2006, 10:19 pm

Quote (sperminator @ May 08 2006, 8:59 pm)
interesting. i'm very skeptical though. :)

I would be too since this was a favor topic of UFO's,new age and paranormal wacko for the last 30 years...

Every generation want to be special, and think that they are the ones ushering a new golden age. The description given is design to make it appear that you too are an indigo child..

It pure nonsense..Simple. You are special it doesnot take so new wave nonsense to make it appear so and you being skeptical is good sign.

OneofOneof1

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Report this May. 10 2006, 1:06 pm

Quote (lanceromega @ May 09 2006, 7:19 pm)
Quote (sperminator @ May 08 2006, 8:59 pm)
interesting. i'm very skeptical though. :)

I would be too since this was a favor topic of UFO's,new age and paranormal wacko for the last 30 years...

Every generation want to be special, and think that they are the ones ushering a new golden age. The description given is design to make it appear that you too are an indigo child..

It pure nonsense..Simple. You are special it doesnot take so new wave nonsense to make it appear so and you being skeptical is good sign.

So I take it you don't possess any of these "special" qualities.

Rulerzigzag

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Report this May. 10 2006, 1:59 pm

Quote (lanceromega @ May 09 2006, 1:19 am)
Quote (sperminator @ May 08 2006, 8:59 pm)
interesting. i'm very skeptical though. :)

I would be too since this was a favor topic of UFO's,new age and paranormal wacko for the last 30 years...

Every generation want to be special, and think that they are the ones ushering a new golden age. The description given is design to make it appear that you too are an indigo child..

It pure nonsense..Simple. You are special it doesnot take so new wave nonsense to make it appear so and you being skeptical is good sign.

Not pure nonsense. But i know what you mean. It's hard not to relate to at least 50% of what describes an Indigo. But i believe we all have the power to reach Nirvana. To release ourselves from our ignorance. Indigo children are the children of God, that power is in all of us, we just need to unlock it, and when we reveal it and make the revealation then all of what describes the indigo, will probably describe you.

SLagonia

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Report this May. 11 2006, 2:19 am

As rediculous as this whole thing is, my step-sister is actually more evolved.  The shape of her jaw is one that one out of every million or so have, and is supposedly the next step in human evolution (Personally, I think it looks like everyone elses, but dentists apparently disagree)

lanceromega

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Report this May. 11 2006, 8:19 am

Quote (OneofOneof1 @ May 09 2006, 2:06 pm)
Quote (lanceromega @ May 09 2006, 7:19 pm)
Quote (sperminator @ May 08 2006, 8:59 pm)
interesting. i'm very skeptical though. :)

I would be too since this was a favor topic of UFO's,new age and paranormal wacko for the last 30 years...

Every generation want to be special, and think that they are the ones ushering a new golden age. The description given is design to make it appear that you too are an indigo child..

It pure nonsense..Simple. You are special it doesnot take so new wave nonsense to make it appear so and you being skeptical is good sign.

So I take it you don't possess any of these "special" qualities.

ahahha, actually I possess all these and more. Funny thing is that I was born in 1960.

Ask any person on the street if this describes them and guess what? Bet you they find something in there that they will claim fit them to a Tee..That how Horoscopes work, be board and appeal to a person vanity ;) ¿And I just as vain as the rest of the human race, but I know better to fall for such a ploy...

lanceromega

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Report this May. 11 2006, 8:25 am

Quote (Rulerzigzag @ May 09 2006, 2:59 pm)
Quote (lanceromega @ May 09 2006, 1:19 am)
Quote (sperminator @ May 08 2006, 8:59 pm)
interesting. i'm very skeptical though. :)

I would be too since this was a favor topic of UFO's,new age and paranormal wacko for the last 30 years...

Every generation want to be special, and think that they are the ones ushering a new golden age. The description given is design to make it appear that you too are an indigo child..

It pure nonsense..Simple. You are special it doesnot take so new wave nonsense to make it appear so and you being skeptical is good sign.

Not pure nonsense. But i know what you mean. It's hard not to relate to at least 50% of what describes an Indigo. But i believe we all have the power to reach Nirvana. To release ourselves from our ignorance. Indigo children are the children of God, that power is in all of us, we just need to unlock it, and when we reveal it and make the revealation then all of what describes the indigo, will probably describe you.

Yes we do have the power to reach Nirvanna since this is the state of pure non existant. All you need is to kill yourself.. Simple  ;)

And I doubt that Odin, Vishnu or even Jehova has anything to do with indigo childern.

You can unlock the power within by just using your head and stop falling for nonsense that appeal to the vanity or ego. True enlightment is searching for real knowledge and learning what you are truely capable of doing..

Go climb a mountain, take up martial art, go to college and study physics and I bet you unlock your true potential, cause it aint going to come to you sitting on your butt and chanting "OM"...

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Report this May. 11 2006, 12:16 pm

But, lancer, doing all those things would require actual work!  It would just be easier to sit on our asses all day and proclaim our superiority to the rest of the world :D

Rulerzigzag

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Report this May. 11 2006, 2:54 pm

Quote (lanceromega @ May 10 2006, 11:19 am)
Quote (OneofOneof1 @ May 09 2006, 2:06 pm)
Quote (lanceromega @ May 09 2006, 7:19 pm)
Quote (sperminator @ May 08 2006, 8:59 pm)
interesting. i'm very skeptical though. :)

I would be too since this was a favor topic of UFO's,new age and paranormal wacko for the last 30 years...

Every generation want to be special, and think that they are the ones ushering a new golden age. The description given is design to make it appear that you too are an indigo child..

It pure nonsense..Simple. You are special it doesnot take so new wave nonsense to make it appear so and you being skeptical is good sign.

So I take it you don't possess any of these "special" qualities.

ahahha, actually I possess all these and more. Funny thing is that I was born in 1960.

Ask any person on the street if this describes them and guess what? Bet you they find something in there that they will claim fit them to a Tee..That how Horoscopes work, be board and appeal to a person vanity ;) ?And I just as vain as the rest of the human race, but I know better to fall for such a ploy...

My friend, it's not about relating. We can relate to many of those qualities. It's more of a relation to being in Nirvana , Im a paramedic. Ive seen horror and lots of misery, and I don't take the job home with me, but I admit the job had a lot to do with me becoming Reborn again. I don't crave anything. I have candles in my home to provide light. I don't use electricity for lighting. Im so simple, that I still have a beeper instead of a cellphone. I don';t have a nice car, I don't even want one. I can afford one though !. ¿But I refuse to become a will-full slave. ¿All I care about is gaining knowledge. That is true Nirvana. I want to find out about everything, and the truth is the only thing I care about whether it's finding out the moral of a star trek episode or what our gov't does to hide current events in Iraq for example. Truth..it's all I care about. Oh and Lancer, you can't just make a revealation. You need to feel remorse for sins. My guilt trips are so overpowering, that I fear them. So I try to live perfect. It's not easy , Im not a buddhist, but Nirvana has definatly been reached. I admit. Im Ego-less.

Rulerzigzag

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Report this May. 11 2006, 3:09 pm

Quote (Lupino @ May 10 2006, 3:16 pm)
But, lancer, doing all those things would require actual work! ¿It would just be easier to sit on our asses all day and proclaim our superiority to the rest of the world :D

Hey Lupino ! it's they guy who called me nuts. Well your gonna like this one.

What would you say if I were to tell you that I speak to everyone as if I was speaking to myself. Just a lil riddle for ya.

If you think that Im claiming superiority to the world, then your wrong. I think the biggest problem with the Ignorant masses is that they don;t know how special they are. They are trapped in a economic system that forces people to become slaves to their own possessions. Their natural born talents are wasted on a job that might pay well, but still wasted. Because all that money you make goes to bills. Your natural duty is not fullfilled because of your possessions. I speak for God, so It's gonna be percieved that I have an ego. Im talk to you , but im actually talking to your soul. When you speak to souls, instead of individual people , you have one voice, one mind. I seek to take the "I" out of the individual , and replace it with "we". I can take a person who is comepletly over emotional, and make them rational again. I speak to the same person over and over again, whether it's you, the mailman, my dog, or the homeless man on the corner, I speak to the SAME person all the time. Ya feel me?

Rulerzigzag

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Report this May. 11 2006, 3:12 pm

Quote (lanceromega @ May 10 2006, 11:25 am)
Quote (Rulerzigzag @ May 09 2006, 2:59 pm)
Quote (lanceromega @ May 09 2006, 1:19 am)
Quote (sperminator @ May 08 2006, 8:59 pm)
interesting. i'm very skeptical though. :)

I would be too since this was a favor topic of UFO's,new age and paranormal wacko for the last 30 years...

Every generation want to be special, and think that they are the ones ushering a new golden age. The description given is design to make it appear that you too are an indigo child..

It pure nonsense..Simple. You are special it doesnot take so new wave nonsense to make it appear so and you being skeptical is good sign.

Not pure nonsense. But i know what you mean. It's hard not to relate to at least 50% of what describes an Indigo. But i believe we all have the power to reach Nirvana. To release ourselves from our ignorance. Indigo children are the children of God, that power is in all of us, we just need to unlock it, and when we reveal it and make the revealation then all of what describes the indigo, will probably describe you.

Yes we do have the power to reach Nirvanna since this is the state of pure non existant. All you need is to kill yourself.. Simple ¿;)

And I doubt that Odin, Vishnu or even Jehova has anything to do with indigo childern.

You can unlock the power within by just using your head and stop falling for nonsense that appeal to the vanity or ego. True enlightment is searching for real knowledge and learning what you are truely capable of doing..

Go climb a mountain, take up martial art, go to college and study physics and I bet you unlock your true potential, cause it aint going to come to you sitting on your butt and chanting "OM"...

OH and dude, there is nothing, you can tell me my friend, nothing you can tell me that I don't already know. I went to college. The power of the internet is equivalent to any Harvard program or Ivy league school . The info is there, you just have to seek it and want to learn it. College is not necassary. Physics? Come on dude, I have more books on Quantum Physics than you can imagine.

lanceromega

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Report this May. 11 2006, 8:22 pm

Quote (Rulerzigzag @ May 10 2006, 4:12 pm)
Quote (lanceromega @ May 10 2006, 11:25 am)
Quote (Rulerzigzag @ May 09 2006, 2:59 pm)
Quote (lanceromega @ May 09 2006, 1:19 am)
Quote (sperminator @ May 08 2006, 8:59 pm)
interesting. i'm very skeptical though. :)

I would be too since this was a favor topic of UFO's,new age and paranormal wacko for the last 30 years...

Every generation want to be special, and think that they are the ones ushering a new golden age. The description given is design to make it appear that you too are an indigo child..

It pure nonsense..Simple. You are special it doesnot take so new wave nonsense to make it appear so and you being skeptical is good sign.

Not pure nonsense. But i know what you mean. It's hard not to relate to at least 50% of what describes an Indigo. But i believe we all have the power to reach Nirvana. To release ourselves from our ignorance. Indigo children are the children of God, that power is in all of us, we just need to unlock it, and when we reveal it and make the revealation then all of what describes the indigo, will probably describe you.

Yes we do have the power to reach Nirvanna since this is the state of pure non existant. All you need is to kill yourself.. Simple ?;)

And I doubt that Odin, Vishnu or even Jehova has anything to do with indigo childern.

You can unlock the power within by just using your head and stop falling for nonsense that appeal to the vanity or ego. True enlightment is searching for real knowledge and learning what you are truely capable of doing..

Go climb a mountain, take up martial art, go to college and study physics and I bet you unlock your true potential, cause it aint going to come to you sitting on your butt and chanting "OM"...

OH and dude, there is nothing, you can tell me my friend, nothing you can tell me that I don't already know. I went to college. The power of the internet is equivalent to any Harvard program or Ivy league school . The info is there, you just have to seek it and want to learn it. College is not necassary. Physics? Come on dude, I have more books on Quantum Physics than you can imagine.

Well from our earlier discussion you must not have read any of those physics books.

As for the internet, about 2/3 that posted on it is pure nonsense.

if you went to college you would have learn that it doesnot teach you what to think but how to think.

You not going to learn that on the net my friend, and if you walk around with the altitude that you know everything then the money you spent on college was wasted.

The things that I learn from college was how much I didn't know, how much other people didnot know, and how to ignore those that ego get in the way of real learning.  College also open you up to meeting people face to face, poeple that are very different that you grew up with.

You right poeple don't general know how special they are, and problem is that the stuff like indigo childerns and other new wave nonsense will divert them from ever finding out.

First you must dream your own dream, and then find the courage to seek it. When you get it then you dream another dream...At least that what I discovered, maybe for you another path may do, but I tell you I watch too many poeple get lost in this New wave non sense.

Rulerzigzag

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Report this May. 11 2006, 8:47 pm

I just wanted you to know I didn't mean to say that a child is better off getting on education on the internet. NO way ! Im the person that think college is there for people who dont have the urge to pick up a book. If you seek knowledge only, then go and get something out of it in a university. I on the otherhand, searched for my own books my whole life and not what had to be read according to a proffessor or school program. I do feel I wasted college career. Only because I didnt get anything out of it, In the medical field, we go to medic or nursing school, and the certificate and title is given at the end. I didnt need college , so i wasted it. When I retire , Ill write books, both fiction and philosophy, so I must rely on self education. Self funding authors do not require college. ¿But now I try to give counseling to psych patients. In my ambulance I encourage them whether on the way to a hospital or psych ward. I tell them that they are labled crazy. Not exactly crazy. percentage wise. Most of them don't belong in those nut houses.

I do want to apologize for saying I know more than you when it comes to physics. I think your intellectual arrogance can be abrasive at times. I would like to know where you say I was wrong about a certain discussion in physics. Like you said peopel get caught up in that nonsense and become arrogant. I know of this, and trust me, I don't think im an evolved human. Just very logical to assume that all of us become more evolved instantly, once a modern present day ignorant person decides to turn over a leaf and seek the path to Nirvana, the work of others in the past gets absorbed , and you might find a perfect formula, which was thought to be perfect, and who knows your revision might prove otherwise, and something, whether yourself , or an object will become better. Or evolved.

The mind of man is a communal affair, a product of many brains interacting over hundreds of thousands of years. The power of language is very underestimated. It's the only thing that separates us from any other mammal. We are like a node in a system of many other nodes, some still active and others active through contribution in the millenias gone by. Cut off from this network, and we will be as solitary as an ant. But as part of the collective human mind, our intellectual potential remains enormous. Now you know what I mean about the power of the internet.

lanceromega

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Report this May. 11 2006, 10:04 pm

Quote (Rulerzigzag @ May 10 2006, 9:47 pm)
I just wanted you to know I didn't mean to say that a child is better off getting on education on the internet. NO way ! Im the person that think college is there for people who dont have the urge to pick up a book. If you seek knowledge only, then go and get something out of it in a university. I on the otherhand, searched for my own books my whole life and not what had to be read according to a proffessor or school program. I do feel I wasted college career. Only because I didnt get anything out of it, In the medical field, we go to medic or nursing school, and the certificate and title is given at the end. I didnt need college , so i wasted it. When I retire , Ill write books, both fiction and philosophy, so I must rely on self education. Self funding authors do not require college. ?But now I try to give counseling to psych patients. In my ambulance I encourage them whether on the way to a hospital or psych ward. I tell them that they are labled crazy. Not exactly crazy. percentage wise. Most of them don't belong in those nut houses.

I do want to apologize for saying I know more than you when it comes to physics. I think your intellectual arrogance can be abrasive at times. I would like to know where you say I was wrong about a certain discussion in physics. Like you said peopel get caught up in that nonsense and become arrogant. I know of this, and trust me, I don't think im an evolved human. Just very logical to assume that all of us become more evolved instantly, once a modern present day ignorant person decides to turn over a leaf and seek the path to Nirvana, the work of others in the past gets absorbed , and you might find a perfect formula, which was thought to be perfect, and who knows your revision might prove otherwise, and something, whether yourself , or an object will become better. Or evolved.

The mind of man is a communal affair, a product of many brains interacting over hundreds of thousands of years. The power of language is very underestimated. It's the only thing that separates us from any other mammal. We are like a node in a system of many other nodes, some still active and others active through contribution in the millenias gone by. Cut off from this network, and we will be as solitary as an ant. But as part of the collective human mind, our intellectual potential remains enormous. Now you know what I mean about the power of the internet.

The problem is that you assume my superior knowledge of science is arrogance. It just my attempts to provide a solid scientific anchor to this forum. An effort to spread the truth in a world that doesnot care for it or just affraid to embrace it.

Too many people attempt to pass off nonsense as fact, the internet for all it has given us has allow this to become far easier to do. Scientists in most part are far too busy to counter the misconceptions that abound. Most are on their own quest to enlightment, delving the cosmo for the answer to questions that have capture their heart and soul.

Science is hard, it demand much and promise little. But when it come thru it push us in new and wonderful direction. The problem is that the truth it reveals is so beautiful that it hard for most of us to see.

Evolution of the mind is not going to be found in some New wave gospel that is elusive as it is vague. Evolution of the mind will come thru the interaction of humans and social pressures that will force us to adapt or die. Science may advance this thru finding ways to speed up the process.

Already nanotechnology, Cybernetics, and Gene therapthy are pioneering ways to improve us. Game theory show us why certain behaviors are harmful to not only the individual but to society as a whole, while research into the brain, it neuro chemistry and electric properties are showing ways to enhance it.

Nirvanna is about Moska, the act of removing one self from the world as a whole. To unbecome my friend. There nothing wonderful or special about that. Buddha was preaching surrender to entropy the dissolvement of self. My personal opinion is that the self is wonderful and that every other self I come into teaches me a bit more about the ultimate truth.

The whole indigo child thing is just another in a long chain of unfounded believes use to capture those hopeing to find a short cut to truth, It no better than scientology, inventor by a sci fi writer as a joke, the myths of the ascended masters, magic, astrology and host of other mind sets that promise much but deliver little.

College gave me alot, more than I could ever wanted, so I sad to hear that it was not the same for you. It taught me the tools that have lead to my long search to enlightment.

I too long to write and my goal is to write a book of poems that will show the beauty of science..Here a sample:

A Quantum Poem (Degenerative Matter Two)

I had a dream that the universe was done
and angels carried me to a world illuminated
by a dying sun. I watched as the stars collapsed one
by one into a state of neutronic bliss mark by
a isospin of one.

Then you were there gluons gleaming in your hair
The promise of nirvana in your arms so cold
and fair. We dance the waltz of creations by the Photonic
White noise and counted the fading Quasars
as they twinkle in the void.

As we stared into the Rossen-Einstein's bridge
where no man dare to go, you turn to me and
whispered in a tone that made the vacuum
glowed:

Would it make you sadder? drive you a little madder?
if I did not give you my heart on silver tray,
But handed it to you a platter, woven of our
hopes and dreams the stuff of
degenerative matter.

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