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Galaxy-Class or Sovereign-Class

Captain_Storma

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Report this May. 01 2006, 4:11 am

I made a similar poll years ago here, and could not find it. Anyway.

Which is your favorite TNG Enterprise?

The classic design of the Enterprise-D, or the sleek design of the Enterprise-E?

Which ship looks cooler? You can also discuss the advantages ond disadvantages of each ship here.

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Report this May. 01 2006, 5:45 am

the Galaxy Class, it and the Excelsior are my favorite Ship designs

the Galaxy Class COULD have been refitted to be every bit as good as the Sovereign, give it another shield upgrade, upgrade the phasers, add another torpedo tube to the front (that can fire Quantums) and maybe some armor or whatever else the Sovereign has that the base Galaxy design didn't, Fix the seperation sequence so it can be done faster and then you'd be able to use it as a dual-vector assault mode (sounds good doesn't it ;) ) with the advancments made in the defiant design you could easily put a embedded warp nacelle in the saucer, remove one of the forward sensor arrays and add a limited forward firing torpedo tube to the saucer and then you've got two battle worthy halves to the ship and we know that only 80% of the galaxy's space frame's capacity is used in a completed ship, leaving lots of room waiting for upgrades, also the design is only 7 or 8 years old, so it can EASILY be refitted with the tech of the sovereign class


OR we could just be B&B and have very undramatic battle sequence that isn't even hardly a scene and quickly crash it as fast as we possibly can so we can make a stretched out thiner ship for the movies that we think looks "cooler" (because after all, we fans just want "cool" forget good stories or good movies, so long as they are filled with 'cool' looking things, right, B&B know us SO well) :sarcastic:

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Report this May. 01 2006, 6:00 am

this is a very hard choice.considering practicality and the effects ofthe war i say enterprise e. The E/D is to elegant rather than a starship and carrying civilians is jut stupid. On the other hand it is more of a flagship than the soverin and it is more comfortable and able for what iot is suposed to do: seek out new worlds
so i aint sure yet

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Report this May. 01 2006, 7:30 am

I personally stick with the Enterpise-D, especially after the redone effects were shown in Enterprise's last episode making it a better comparison to the Enterprise-E we see in the movies.  The D is just far more classy.

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Report this May. 01 2006, 10:35 am

D, first off it stays true to the old school design, the E is the D that got strecthed to far in MS paint, the D has a more intimidating and powerful look to it also, the E looks to flimsy and fragile.

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Report this May. 01 2006, 11:05 am

Sorry, but I think the E looks like a mighty battleship, the D was cool but I am not into the children on board, family ship. I don't want the station wagon of ships, I want the sporstcar!

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Report this May. 01 2006, 11:28 am

The D is much more elegant. True.

I cannot decide among those two, so I choose null-vote (also because it is a poll I made, and I never vote in those).

The Enterprise-E looks much more made for the movies. Sure The Enterprise-D looked cool in Generations, but she was not build to fight off the Borg, the Son'a or the Remans.

And the refit Enterprise-E as seen in NEMESIS is also damn elegant and classy.

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Report this May. 01 2006, 11:38 am

i think the enterprise-C was the sports car, unlike the other enterprises it was classified as a cruiser instead of a heavy cruiser that means its faster and smaller.

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Report this May. 01 2006, 12:13 pm

Well the "C" was not a leading ship (only leading ships are in this poll).

But I also liked the design of the Ambassador-Class.

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Report this May. 01 2006, 4:35 pm

yes thats true, but the D and E are larger designs not meant for the same purpose, im just pointing out that the C would make a better "sports car" albiet a little out dated. i dislike the E, i would have prefered if the D was never lost and they used it instead.

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Report this May. 01 2006, 5:37 pm

D. Not a fan of the battleship. I enjoy the thought of a utopian peace.


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Report this May. 01 2006, 8:40 pm

I voted E with reservations.

Interior design (less effects) I preferred the D, esp the bridge. But I tend to vote based on external design, and in this case I say E.

The D had some nice features, but there were a number of camera angles that just didn't work well for me (such as this one: http://www.startrek.com/startre....ount=-1 )

So far as I am concerned, the refit 1701/1701-A had the best design. Looked elegant from just about every angle. The E comes closer to that design aesthetic (though I agree the saucer was too elongated). It also had more of a nautical feel - that is it looked more like a "real" ship to me, mostly from the secondary hull (same goes for the B upgrade to the Excelsior design).

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Report this May. 01 2006, 10:30 pm

I don't get the people who ##### about the E skewing the saucer proportions, and then voting for D. Going from the original to the E, it's the D that clearly has the most distorted proportions.

The D inflated the saucer, and overstretched it horizontally (which unfortunately resulted in some weird perspectives early in the series). The warp nacells were shrunk and turned on their side, and the support pylons scrunched down and pushed foward. Finally the secondary hull was squashed and compacted.

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Report this May. 01 2006, 10:41 pm

Quote (LonelyStranger @ May 01 2006, 7:30 pm)
I don't get the people who ##### about the E skewing the saucer proportions, and then voting for D. Going from the original to the E, it's the D that clearly has the most distorted proportions.

The D inflated the saucer, and overstretched it horizontally (which unfortunately resulted in some weird perspectives early in the series). The warp nacells were shrunk and turned on their side, and the support pylons scrunched down and pushed foward. Finally the secondary hull was squashed and compacted.

I will Explain... (and this what the designer of the Galaxy class said) The Galaxy class is a unified shape, everything is a compressed oval, the nacelles were NOT turned on their sides, it is the E that has nacelles turned on their sides, the D's nacelles are merely semi flattened ovals, and the REASON they are so small is because the designer wanted to stress that it was the future and that technology had progressed and so they were able to shrink the components of a nacelle (after all technology gets SMALLER not bigger) also the Nacelles were moved to the ships center of gravity because the designer said he didn't understand how the ship's nacelles didn't just rip off from the fact that they were above the saucer of the 1701, and all the curves of the D are to make it look like the ship is moving forward,
the E takes the nacelles and moves them away from the center of gravity again
AND if you were to compare the sizes of the D and the 1701 you'd see that the nacelles actually aren't really so much shorter, the ship is just like twice as big or so

the D doesn't have distorted proportions, it has beautifully executed complex curves and every part of the design is a compressed oval, you'd be hard pressed to find a design that is as unified when you actually look at these facts and then at the model again

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Report this May. 02 2006, 12:29 am

Quote (GalaxyClassUSSEnterpriseNCC1701D @ May 01 2006, 10:41 pm)
I will Explain... (and this what the designer of the Galaxy class said) The Galaxy class is a unified shape, everything is a compressed oval, the nacelles were NOT turned on their sides, it is the E that has nacelles turned on their sides, the D's nacelles are merely semi flattened ovals, and the REASON they are so small is because the designer wanted to stress that it was the future and that technology had progressed and so they were able to shrink the components of a nacelle (after all technology gets SMALLER not bigger) also the Nacelles were moved to the ships center of gravity because the designer said he didn't understand how the ship's nacelles didn't just rip off from the fact that they were above the saucer of the 1701, and all the curves of the D are to make it look like the ship is moving forward,
the E takes the nacelles and moves them away from the center of gravity again
AND if you were to compare the sizes of the D and the 1701 you'd see that the nacelles actually aren't really so much shorter, the ship is just like twice as big or so

the D doesn't have distorted proportions, it has beautifully executed complex curves and every part of the design is a compressed oval, you'd be hard pressed to find a design that is as unified when you actually look at these facts and then at the model again

The question is what are distorted proportions? I perfectly understand the REASONS behind the D's design, but you cannot deny that of all the Enterprise vessels, it's design is the one most at variance with the others.

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