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FTL travel

ensignnumber1

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Report this Apr. 19 2006, 9:04 pm

Why does everyone assume that because on ST, they supposedly discovered FTL (Warp drive in the mid 21st century that the rea lworld will?

I am sick and tired of hear about it!

lanceromega

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Report this Apr. 19 2006, 10:13 pm

Quote (ensignnumber1 @ April 18 2006, 10:04 pm)
Why does everyone assume that because on ST, they supposedly discovered FTL (Warp drive in the mid 21st century that the rea lworld will?

I am sick and tired of hear about it!

are you sick that poeple think we will discover ftl this century or that we ever will?  :question:  :question:

SLagonia

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Report this Apr. 19 2006, 11:04 pm

I think it's fairly logical to assume that the advance will come somewhere in this century.

ensignnumber1

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Report this Apr. 19 2006, 11:33 pm

how is that logical?

mmm Mars Orbiter to Warp Drive......

OneofOneof1

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Report this Apr. 20 2006, 1:37 am

What's really fascinating is the alternative methods that are being explored to cross vast distances in the 'blink of an eye'. So to speak.

STSWB5fan

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Report this Apr. 20 2006, 4:06 am

Anybody who's interested should check out the latest Popular Science. They have a pretty interesting article about the possiblities of F.T.L. travel. Maybe we won't have it ready by the time the Vulcans come visiting in 2063, but definitely at some point this millienium. After all we haven't fully explored or colonized THIS star system yet ¿:)

lanceromega

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Report this Apr. 20 2006, 12:31 pm

Quote (SLagonia @ April 19 2006, 12:04 am)
I think it's fairly logical to assume that the advance will come somewhere in this century.

Really? why would anyone assume that? I would at least think that we would first have to perfect STL methods of travel first.

FTL travel will mean harnessing energy source equal to what the sun put out.  Even the So call Heim drive requires magnetic fields that exceed the Z machine.

once fusion power is perfected ( still 20 to 50 years away) then travel to other planets will be available , then maybe another 50 to 60 years reaching the out skirt of our solar system , whichwould be a jumping point to begin experimenting in type of physics require to create a FTL drive..

We would be lucky that in the next 500 years this would be possible, our first trip to a new star system would most likely be in STL ship and take decades to complete.

starkingthegod

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Report this Apr. 29 2006, 12:58 pm

FTL travel for matter is imposible accoreding to Einstein !

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Report this Apr. 30 2006, 12:44 am

check out the ion drive, first used by NASA in '98, its X10 faster than standard rockets, its a step in the right directoin. another possibility is anti-matter drives, technically possible, they allow faster than light travel by bending space time and traveling in a "warp bubble" kinda like an air bubble rising to the surface under water. they only problem is right now there is only one place in the world that makes anit matter and at this rate it would take 10 million years to create a gram of it. to acheive warp drive we need to A) increase anti matter productoin 10000000 fold and B) start puoring monet into reaserch now. its likely that we will have the key to warp drive by 2089 or so, but time will tell.

inresponse to starkingthegod, obviously you havent heard of the string theory, we know much more now than einstein did then, essentially he was right, but that was assuming what he knew was all there was to know, with recent discoveries we now know you can acheive FTL without disobeying the special reletivities law. and even if it did disobey, whos to say that einstein was right? we are learning more and more each day, we can see things that einstein only dreamed of back in the 30's, i wouldnt be suprised is his laws were eventually disproved in the future.


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SLagonia

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Report this Apr. 30 2006, 4:13 am

Quote (ensignnumber1 @ April 19 2006, 2:33 am)
how is that logical?

We have some basic concepts down, really.  The problem is that there are alot of little things we need to get right as well (and we haven't quite worked those kinks out)

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Report this Apr. 30 2006, 8:13 am

Quote (starkingthegod @ April 28 2006, 1:58 pm)
FTL travel for matter is imposible accoreding to Einstein !

actually it not, wormholes or Rosenberge Einstein Bridges were actually predicted according to einstein and that one method of FTL travel.

Another solution come from his equations of General Relativity and was discovered by Miguel Alcubierre Moya, Basically he shown that there is a solution that allows for an expanding, contracting bubble of space that would be able to travel FTL.Warp drive might appear to violate Einstein's special theory of relativity. But special relativity says that you cannot outrun a light signal in a fair race in which you and the signal follow the same route. When space-time is warped, it might be possible to beat a light signal by taking a different route, a shortcut. The contraction of space-time in front of the bubble and the expansion behind it create such a shortcut.

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Report this Apr. 30 2006, 4:07 pm

Quote (starkingthegod @ April 28 2006, 3:58 pm)
FTL travel for matter is imposible accoreding to Einstein !

Only in a four dimensional universe.  We now believe there are as many as twenty-six dimensions

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Report this May. 01 2006, 4:17 pm

Well faster than light travel is impossible because as Einstein so rightly pointed out with his famous equation E=Mc2 as somethings energy increases (the E in the equation) so must it's mass (the M in the equation) and so as a spaceship got closer to the speed of light it's mass would increases and it would take even more energy to accelerate any more up until a point when the energy needed would be infinite, so it would take more energy than there is in the cosmos not just the output of one star

And for the record the considered thinking in advanced physics is that their are 11 dimensions

And although it's been a long it for when I read any Miguel Alcubierre Moya's work didn't he stipulate that his formulas would only apply in a rotating universe, and as we live in an expanding one it's just an interesting idea

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Report this May. 01 2006, 5:45 pm

When we say "FTL" we mean warping spacetime, not physically moving through space.

The possibility I see is that humans will discover at some point the true fabrique of the universe, and thus find a way to create shortcuts between two points in the universe.

The really strange effect of quantum entanglement shows that two points in the universe can be connected in ways other than the classical ones. Although quantum entanglement is proven, it does not violate general relativity. We just do not know how it works.

axilmar

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Report this May. 01 2006, 5:48 pm

I also think that the universe is too big to be not traversable and to contain only one planet with life. So most probably there is a way to travel the galaxies, we just do not know it yet.

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