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Tannagra

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Report this Feb. 13 2006, 5:27 pm

Quote (lanceromega @ Feb. 13 2006, 12:41 pm)
Quote (Rulerzigzag @ Feb. 11 2006, 3:48 pm)
Quote (Tannagra @ Feb. 11 2006, 4:42 am)
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This Hydrogen, Oxygen fuel combo we've been using now is getting boring.

Im so tired and sick of all the money and funding going towards a war where all these megalomanics can harness their beloved , and very primitive resource. Petroleum. It's horrible.

We should put everything into NASA and maybe we could prevent this third World War from escalating and getting worse. All that money should just go to NASA...lets get moving, I can't beleive NASA is taking a step back by going back to their APOLLO program for the next Lunar Mission. 50 years will have passed by the time we go to the moon again, and not one step in progress has been made.

Stanley Kubrick predicted we would reach Mars by 2001. Im glad in a way, he never got a chance to see that year because he would of realized how sorry of a civilization we are because all we care about is crude oil for automobiles. What a farce.

I agree...we definitely are taking steps backwards instead of forward. I sometimes feel that the world is starting to stagnate.

For another example of us going backwards take a look at what happened to Concorde. Yes i know it crashed, but so do 747's, 737's and other types of aircraft but we dont see them being ALL took out of service permanently.

I think its time for NASA and other agencies to start to seriously think outside the Box!

The wonderful Concorde, yes very good example here tammagra. It was sad to see it become retired so quickly. Never mind lightspeed travel, we can't even support hypersonic travel.

Its hard to imagine that we are turning our backs on the stars. Our petty terrestrial problems are delaying us but I find it hard to believe that a few decades of setbacks will deter us from leaving our solar system.

The concorde was not dump due to it crashing, but due to the damage it cause to the ozone layer. The US congress ban flight over the usa which basically kill any market for the plane.

this along with the creation of the 747, which transported large number of passenger fairly cheaply was the real reason why the Concord failed. Since the French and English aerospace created it, they maintain a small fleet for transaltantic flight but could never turn a profit without a US market.

As for space travel, the limit on grow of space travel is the fact that there no real profit in it. other than a few communication satellite, it hard for industry or even the goverment to dump the funds needed to finance the effort.

The only real motivation would be a means to turn a buck out of outer space.

If you look at the China goes to moon posting we do have a small hope, that of Helium 3 and a promise of cheap wastefree power.

Not only would this give the USA and other nation a reason to invest in space travel, Helium 3 would also provide the fuel and power to allow space craft to travel across the solar system.

Star travel is beyond us at this time, over coming the vast distants and C limit would mean learning how to engineer Space time on a quantum scale, and we have no way to judge when we will have the knowledge to do so.

Present Physics is stump, string theory has fail to make any headway and the newest theory called Loop Gravity will not yield the answer for many years to come.

Rail guns will allow us to launch satellites and robotic probes but will have acceleration too high for human passengers. Rocket are not the answer either due to the cost. The next step would be Space elevators and skyhooks, but unless there is a major reason for it don't look for them to be build in the near future.

And what im saying is we 'Need to think outside the Box'.

I wonder where we would be if Frank Whittle hadnt come up with the design for the Jet Engine while everybody else were extremely content with the old piston engine??

Maybe we need another Frank Whittle instead of just rehashing current technology.

Tannagra

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Report this Feb. 13 2006, 5:33 pm

Oh and by the way, you say the US didnt want Concorde damaging the ozone layer...i'd say the US are doing a fine job themselves.

Rulerzigzag

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Report this Feb. 13 2006, 7:20 pm

Im not sure. Frank Whittle's Jet engine was probably someone else's conception at first. Technology can sometimes be like layers. It's constant improvements. Thinking outside the box is a great thing. What is science without mistakes?

Helium 3...interesting...im going over to that china thread now.

thanks for input.

lanceromega

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Report this Feb. 14 2006, 9:45 am

Quote (Tannagra @ Feb. 12 2006, 3:27 pm)
Quote (lanceromega @ Feb. 13 2006, 12:41 pm)
Quote (Rulerzigzag @ Feb. 11 2006, 3:48 pm)
Quote (Tannagra @ Feb. 11 2006, 4:42 am)
Quote (Rulerzigzag @ Feb. 11 2006, 2:10 pm)
This Hydrogen, Oxygen fuel combo we've been using now is getting boring.

Im so tired and sick of all the money and funding going towards a war where all these megalomanics can harness their beloved , and very primitive resource. Petroleum. It's horrible.

We should put everything into NASA and maybe we could prevent this third World War from escalating and getting worse. All that money should just go to NASA...lets get moving, I can't beleive NASA is taking a step back by going back to their APOLLO program for the next Lunar Mission. 50 years will have passed by the time we go to the moon again, and not one step in progress has been made.

Stanley Kubrick predicted we would reach Mars by 2001. Im glad in a way, he never got a chance to see that year because he would of realized how sorry of a civilization we are because all we care about is crude oil for automobiles. What a farce.

I agree...we definitely are taking steps backwards instead of forward. I sometimes feel that the world is starting to stagnate.

For another example of us going backwards take a look at what happened to Concorde. Yes i know it crashed, but so do 747's, 737's and other types of aircraft but we dont see them being ALL took out of service permanently.

I think its time for NASA and other agencies to start to seriously think outside the Box!

The wonderful Concorde, yes very good example here tammagra.  It was sad to see it become retired so quickly. Never mind lightspeed travel, we can't even support hypersonic travel.

Its hard to imagine that we are turning our backs on the stars. Our petty terrestrial problems are delaying us but I find it hard to believe that a few decades of setbacks will deter us from leaving our solar system.

The concorde was not dump due to it crashing, but due to the damage it cause to the ozone layer. The US congress ban flight over the usa which basically kill any market for the plane.

this along with the creation of the 747, which transported large number of passenger fairly cheaply was the real reason why the Concord failed. Since the French and English aerospace created it, they maintain a small fleet for transaltantic flight but could never turn a profit without a US market.

As for space travel, the limit on grow of space travel is the fact that there no real profit in it. other than a few communication satellite, it hard for industry or even the goverment to dump the funds needed to finance the effort.

The only real motivation would be a means to turn a buck out of outer space.

If you look at the China goes to moon posting we do have a small hope, that of Helium 3 and a promise of cheap wastefree power.

Not only would this give the USA and other nation a reason to invest in space travel, Helium 3 would also provide the fuel and power to allow space craft to travel across the solar system.

Star travel is beyond us at this time, over coming the vast distants and C limit would mean learning how to engineer Space time on a quantum scale, and we have no way to judge when we will have the knowledge to do so.

Present Physics is stump, string theory has fail to make any headway and the newest theory called Loop Gravity will not yield the answer for many years to come.

Rail guns will allow us to launch satellites and robotic probes but will have acceleration too high for human passengers. Rocket are not the answer either due to the cost. The next step would be Space elevators and skyhooks, but unless there is a major reason for it don't look for them to be build in the near future.

And what im saying is we 'Need to think outside the Box'.

I wonder where we would be if Frank Whittle hadnt come up with the design for the Jet Engine while everybody else were extremely content with the old piston engine??

Maybe we need another Frank Whittle instead of just rehashing current technology.

Problem is that this is really no other way. To leave the earth gravitional field requires a method to accelerate to escape velocity, we are limited since the basic  physics of the problem leave us no other methods than the ones that we have explored or are exploring. There is no magical antigravity machine, no matter what people want to think.

lanceromega

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Report this Feb. 14 2006, 9:48 am

Quote (Tannagra @ Feb. 12 2006, 3:33 pm)
Oh and by the way, you say the US didnt want Concorde damaging the ozone layer...i'd say the US are doing a fine job themselves.

That cause the present Congress is not the one that passed the law, the law banning the Concord was pass during an era when poeple actually were worried about the Enivorment.

Thanks to the greed of Corporate america and the Republican party those laws are now being over turn and we are now on a head long slide toward a brave new world filled with horrors that we have yet to dream of..

Rulerzigzag

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Report this Feb. 14 2006, 9:01 pm

Quote (lanceromega @ Feb. 13 2006, 9:48 am)
Quote (Tannagra @ Feb. 12 2006, 3:33 pm)
Oh and by the way, you say the US didnt want Concorde damaging the ozone layer...i'd say the US are doing a fine job themselves.

That cause the present Congress is not the one that passed the law, the law banning the Concord was pass during an era when poeple actually were worried about the Enivorment.

Thanks to the greed of Corporate america and the Republican party those laws are now being over turn and we are now on a head long slide toward a brave new world feel with horrors that we have yet to dream of..

Interesting. I agree. It seems as if we were destined to wipe eachother out. At a time like this, when humanity reaches certain lows, a trajedy or chain of cathostrophic events might be the answer to what we need to do to evolve as a species. Perhaps "order out of chaos" as the Borg say is very true afterall.

Perhaps this one world government might be good. Nothing is entirely bad. There is always good reprecussions that emanate from bad events.

We just can't help but realize that the mother of progress is despair and disaster.

lanceromega

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Report this Feb. 15 2006, 9:45 am

Quote (Rulerzigzag @ Feb. 13 2006, 7:01 pm)
Quote (lanceromega @ Feb. 13 2006, 9:48 am)
Quote (Tannagra @ Feb. 12 2006, 3:33 pm)
Oh and by the way, you say the US didnt want Concorde damaging the ozone layer...i'd say the US are doing a fine job themselves.

That cause the present Congress is not the one that passed the law, the law banning the Concord was pass during an era when poeple actually were worried about the Enivorment.

Thanks to the greed of Corporate america and the Republican party those laws are now being over turn and we are now on a head long slide toward a brave new world feel with horrors that we have yet to dream of..

Interesting. I agree. It seems as if we were destined to wipe eachother out. At a time like this, when humanity reaches certain lows, a trajedy or chain of cathostrophic events might be the answer to what we need to do to evolve as a species. Perhaps "order out of chaos" as the Borg say is very true afterall.

Perhaps this one world government might be good. Nothing is entirely bad. There is always good reprecussions that emanate from bad events.

We just can't help but realize that the mother of progress is despair and disaster.

I must agree on that, either the Human race will learn to corporate and put aside our pretty greed and ignornat or perish...

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