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China to Start Manned Lunar Program

SirCedric2

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Report this Dec. 14 2005, 12:09 pm

China to Start Manned Lunar Program Around 2017 With a Landing Some Time After That.

BEIJING Dec 14, 2005  China will begin an effort to send astronauts to the moon in about 2017, with a landing some time after that, official media said Wednesday, citing a senior official of the lunar probe program.

The moon landing would cap a lunar program begun in 2004 with the launch of a probe. In October, China launched its second manned space flight, a successful five-day mission.

The Xinhua News Agency quoted Ouyang Ziyuan, the lunar program's chief scientist, as saying unmanned lunar probes will be ramped up in three stages until about 2017, when the manned program will begin.

The report did not indicate when a manned lunar landing might be accomplished.

According to Ouyang and other Chinese space officials, an effort to launch lunar orbiting satellites will be supplanted in 2007 by a program aimed at accomplishing an unmanned lunar landing.

A program to return unmanned space vehicles from the moon will begin in 2012 and last for five years, until the manned program gets underway, Xinhua quoted the officials as saying.

China attaches great prestige to its space program, seeing it as a way to validate its claims to be one of the world's leading scientific nations.

The cost of the program is low by Western standards, and Chinese leaders frequently point out that space technology has numerous spinoffs for aeronautics and other high technology industries.

IanCrawford

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Report this Dec. 28 2005, 11:17 am

sometimes i think the i.s.p and nasa hold this world back, we should have been back to the moon by now! they make out as if cause' we have a space station in orbit we are making giant leaps. also if nasa dont agree with whats happening they blast the opposing party all over the tv. they cant take it when another agemc makes more headway than them.

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Report this Jan. 20 2006, 3:39 pm

Screw China! U.S.A. All the way!!!

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Report this Jan. 20 2006, 8:21 pm

maybe the communists can actually colonize another world

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Report this Jan. 22 2006, 9:50 pm

Quote (captJMK @ Jan. 20 2006, 5:21 pm)
maybe the communists can actually colonize another world

That would be AWESOME!!! Let the damned commies have a planet of their own! Then the rest of us "decent folk" won't have to deal with their crap anymore! :) By the way, it's not that I hate commies. It's that they just REALLY piss me off! Granted, there are some aspects of communism that ALMOST have merit. However, it just doesn't allow for the freedom that we enjoy as capitolists. Not to mension, if the Chinese were to colonise a planet of their own, then they might finally have a solution to their over population problem!   :)

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Report this Jan. 22 2006, 10:51 pm

Communism is dead, anyone else who says different is a liar and a hypocrit. Since true communism and socialism never really existed.

That aside, it's been known for years that China was going to persue a space program. It was known/hypothesised as far back as 2000.

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Report this Feb. 09 2006, 1:01 pm

Good for them. Maybe NASA can learn something.

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Report this Feb. 09 2006, 2:39 pm

Quote (commanderian @ Dec. 27 2005, 9:17 am)
sometimes i think the i.s.p and nasa hold this world back, we should have been back to the moon by now! they make out as if cause' we have a space station in orbit we are making giant leaps. also if nasa dont agree with whats happening they blast the opposing party all over the tv. they cant take it when another agemc makes more headway than them.

There a good reason to return to the moon, and it is Helium 3. Both China and India have been mounting program to go to moon because it is the nearest supply of the rare form of Helium..

Helium 3 is one of the few elements that when it under goes fusion will not emit Neutrons, meaning a fusion reactor without radioactive waste or without massive shielding.

On earth it make up less than 1/1000000 of Helium taken out of the grown and is worth $45000 an ounce. but on the moon there is millions of tons of it, deposited by the solar winds.

Once fusion technology is perfected, a single ton of helium 3 would provide enought power to power all the nations of the earth for a year at our present power consumption.

So the first nation back to the moon can start staking out the riches location and will be the next world power..

Tannagra

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Report this Feb. 09 2006, 2:42 pm

Quote (lanceromega @ Feb. 09 2006, 11:39 am)
Quote (commanderian @ Dec. 27 2005, 9:17 am)
sometimes i think the i.s.p and nasa hold this world back, we should have been back to the moon by now! they make out as if cause' we have a space station in orbit we are making giant leaps. also if nasa dont agree with whats happening they blast the opposing party all over the tv. they cant take it when another agemc makes more headway than them.

There a good reason to return to the moon, and it is Helium 3. Both China and India have been mounting program to go to moon because it is the nearest supply of the rare form of Helium..

Helium 3 is one of the few elements that when it under goes fusion will not emit Neutrons, meaning a fusion reactor without radioactive waste or without massive shielding.

On earth it make up less than 1/1000000 of Helium taken out of the grown and is worth $45000 an ounce. but on the moon there is millions of tons of it, deposited by the solar winds.

Once fusion technology is perfected, a single ton of helium 3 would provide enought power to power all the nations of the earth for a year at our present power consumption.

So the first nation back to the moon can start staking out the riches location and will be the next world power..

Surely you would still need some sort of magnetic shield surrounding the actual reaction due to the incredible temperatures created during a fusion reaction?

So the helium 3 is only half the story..

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Report this Feb. 09 2006, 3:13 pm

Quote (Tannagra @ Feb. 08 2006, 12:42 pm)
Quote (lanceromega @ Feb. 09 2006, 11:39 am)
Quote (commanderian @ Dec. 27 2005, 9:17 am)
sometimes i think the i.s.p and nasa hold this world back, we should have been back to the moon by now! they make out as if cause' we have a space station in orbit we are making giant leaps. also if nasa dont agree with whats happening they blast the opposing party all over the tv. they cant take it when another agemc makes more headway than them.

There a good reason to return to the moon, and it is Helium 3. Both China and India have been mounting program to go to moon because it is the nearest supply of the rare form of Helium..

Helium 3 is one of the few elements that when it under goes fusion will not emit Neutrons, meaning a fusion reactor without radioactive waste or without massive shielding.

On earth it make up less than 1/1000000 of Helium taken out of the grown and is worth $45000 an ounce. but on the moon there is millions of tons of it, deposited by the solar winds.

Once fusion technology is perfected, a single ton of helium 3 would provide enought power to power all the nations of the earth for a year at our present power consumption.

So the first nation back to the moon can start staking out the riches location and will be the next world power..

Surely you would still need some sort of magnetic shield surrounding the actual reaction due to the incredible temperatures created during a fusion reaction?

So the helium 3 is only half the story..

Actually no...Helium 3 reactor would most likely use electrostatic confinement, the only magnetic field needed is for obtaining the power from the reactor.

Helium 3 would emit a hi energy proton,the proton moment thru the magnetic field would be used to induce a current. Making it a more efficient way of generating power.

Electrostatic confinement based reactors using Helium 3 could be small enought to fit into a car or airplane (or even a tank).

And believe me this is a main reason for the sudden interest in the moon. both India and china see Helium 3 as away around the destructive use of fossil fuel with out using Present day nuclear technology that would leave tons of radiactive waste.

Even Fusion power using Hydrogen isotopes tritium or Deutrium would leave tons of waste cause by neutron radiation.

Tannagra

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Report this Feb. 09 2006, 3:14 pm

Quote (lanceromega @ Feb. 09 2006, 12:13 pm)
Quote (Tannagra @ Feb. 08 2006, 12:42 pm)
Quote (lanceromega @ Feb. 09 2006, 11:39 am)
Quote (commanderian @ Dec. 27 2005, 9:17 am)
sometimes i think the i.s.p and nasa hold this world back, we should have been back to the moon by now! they make out as if cause' we have a space station in orbit we are making giant leaps. also if nasa dont agree with whats happening they blast the opposing party all over the tv. they cant take it when another agemc makes more headway than them.

There a good reason to return to the moon, and it is Helium 3. Both China and India have been mounting program to go to moon because it is the nearest supply of the rare form of Helium..

Helium 3 is one of the few elements that when it under goes fusion will not emit Neutrons, meaning a fusion reactor without radioactive waste or without massive shielding.

On earth it make up less than 1/1000000 of Helium taken out of the grown and is worth $45000 an ounce. but on the moon there is millions of tons of it, deposited by the solar winds.

Once fusion technology is perfected, a single ton of helium 3 would provide enought power to power all the nations of the earth for a year at our present power consumption.

So the first nation back to the moon can start staking out the riches location and will be the next world power..

Surely you would still need some sort of magnetic shield surrounding the actual reaction due to the incredible temperatures created during a fusion reaction?

So the helium 3 is only half the story..

Actually no...Helium 3 reactor would most likely use electrostatic confinement, the only magnetic field needed is for obtaining the power from the reactor.

Helium 3 would emit a hi energy proton,the proton moment thru the magnetic field would be used to induce a current. Making it a more efficient way of generating power.

Electrostatic confinement based reactors using Helium 3 could be small enought to fit into a car or airplane (or even a tank).

And believe me this is a main reason for the sudden interest in the moon. both India and china see Helium 3 as away around the destructive use of fossil fuel with using Present day nuclear technology that would leave tons of radiactive waste.

Even Fusion power using Hydrogen isotopes tritium or Deutrium would leave tons of waste cause by neutron radiation.

Even if youre right...wouldnt the cost be prohibitive in itself.

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Report this Feb. 09 2006, 3:40 pm

Quote (Tannagra @ Feb. 08 2006, 1:14 pm)
Quote (lanceromega @ Feb. 09 2006, 12:13 pm)
Quote (Tannagra @ Feb. 08 2006, 12:42 pm)
Quote (lanceromega @ Feb. 09 2006, 11:39 am)
Quote (commanderian @ Dec. 27 2005, 9:17 am)
sometimes i think the i.s.p and nasa hold this world back, we should have been back to the moon by now! they make out as if cause' we have a space station in orbit we are making giant leaps. also if nasa dont agree with whats happening they blast the opposing party all over the tv. they cant take it when another agemc makes more headway than them.

There a good reason to return to the moon, and it is Helium 3. Both China and India have been mounting program to go to moon because it is the nearest supply of the rare form of Helium..

Helium 3 is one of the few elements that when it under goes fusion will not emit Neutrons, meaning a fusion reactor without radioactive waste or without massive shielding.

On earth it make up less than 1/1000000 of Helium taken out of the grown and is worth $45000 an ounce. but on the moon there is millions of tons of it, deposited by the solar winds.

Once fusion technology is perfected, a single ton of helium 3 would provide enought power to power all the nations of the earth for a year at our present power consumption.

So the first nation back to the moon can start staking out the riches location and will be the next world power..

Surely you would still need some sort of magnetic shield surrounding the actual reaction due to the incredible temperatures created during a fusion reaction?

So the helium 3 is only half the story..

Actually no...Helium 3  reactor would most likely use electrostatic confinement, the only magnetic field needed is for obtaining the power from the reactor.

Helium 3 would emit a hi energy proton,the  proton moment thru the magnetic field would be used to induce a current. Making it a more efficient way of generating power.

Electrostatic confinement based reactors using Helium 3 could be small enought to fit into a car or airplane (or even a tank).

And believe me this is a main reason for the sudden interest in the moon. both India and china see Helium 3 as away around the destructive use of fossil fuel with using Present day nuclear technology that would leave tons of radiactive waste.

Even Fusion power using Hydrogen isotopes tritium or Deutrium would leave tons of waste cause by neutron radiation.

Even if youre right...wouldnt the cost be prohibitive in itself.

The cost? image a single ton of Helium three would provide as much power that needed to run the whole planet for a year!!!

That worth Trillions of dollar!!! And there millions of tons of Helium 3 on the moon.

With the present state of robotics, we could set up a robotic factory on the moon, to mine, and process it and and then use Solar power Rail guns to launch cargo container of Helium 3 to earth.

You don't even need to send poeple. Just a few dozen robotic machines to start the process off.

After that you have Helium 3 to power fusion power spacecraft.. And unlike atomic power craft, if they crash or explode on take off there no radiactive fallout or debri..

How much is it worth for a clean, non polluting energy source?

The question to ask can we afford not to mine the moon for it.

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Report this Feb. 09 2006, 3:43 pm

I checked the details for standard Fusion reactors and the site i looked on said the isotopes would be radioactive for only 50 years compared to the 1000's of years for fission reactors.

Remember also how easy it would be to actually shoot down inbound rockets laden with helium or even hijack them. Maybe this would herald in a new theatre of war..space!

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Report this Feb. 09 2006, 3:57 pm

Quote (Tannagra @ Feb. 08 2006, 1:43 pm)
I checked the details for standard Fusion reactors and the site i looked on said the isotopes would be radioactive for only 50 years compared to the 1000's of years for fission reactors.

Remember also how easy it would be to actually shoot down inbound rockets laden with helium or even hijack them. Maybe this would herald in a new theatre of war..space!

Try finding a place to store Highly radiactive waste today.. Here in america the Atomic power plants are force to store it on site..

On top of that the neutron flux given off by the standard fusion reaction would actually destroy the reactor in 10 to 15 years, by neutron embrittlement.

Helium three reactor could run for centuries without a problem and can made in size small enought to run the family car!!!

as for shooting down or hijacking , the same point can be said of oil tankers!!

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Report this Feb. 09 2006, 4:02 pm

I agree with what your saying...the difference is fusion reactors can produce alot more energy than conventional & fission powerstations. By using Helium 3 as you say they produce no waste and can run for a very long time.

The first country to get Fusion reactors using helium 3 online will be the first to get the upper hand globally. This could be classed as a win at all costs scenario.

Also how about Helium 3 Fusion reactors in warships instead of pressurised water reactors?

Without the heavy shielding required for normal fusion reactors maybe they could be reduced in size, enabling miniature reactors?? after that who knows..

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