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How do you polarize the hull plating ?

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Report this Oct. 11 2005, 2:39 pm

I know that metals may be polarized if they are smeared with hydrogen , but i doubt it that when Archer says polarize the hull plating , reed grabs a bucket and brush and goes to paint the hull . Do they like release some electric current through the hull ?

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Report this Oct. 11 2005, 3:28 pm

Quote (Major_Vol @ Oct. 10 2005, 12:39 pm)
I know that metals may be polarized if they are smeared with hydrogen , but i doubt it that when Archer says polarize the hull plating , reed grabs a bucket and brush and goes to paint the hull . Do they like release some electric current through the hull ?

He may be referning to the creation of Plasmons in the metal of the hull.

Plasmons are waves of electrons that in metal that are responible for the reflection of electromagnetic radiation. S

or he can be referning to the creation of polarons  ( a series of align electrons )in the crystal lattice of the metal in the hull, in this case polaron would make the hull a superconductor, causing the reflection of electromagnetic energy and the redirection of such energy thru the entire hull, disperating the energy of energy weapons.

Both can be induced by powerful magnetic fields applied to specially treated surfaces.

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Report this Oct. 11 2005, 4:19 pm

turns the entire ship into a giant magnet that attracts metal from space to cover the hull and protect it from stuff.

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Report this Oct. 12 2005, 1:34 pm

I dont think thats the case in season 1 . The ship would rock alot . But in season 2 and 4 whenever the Klingons fired at Enterprise the area of impact would turn light blue , as if it was being absorbed . But i dont think its either of those cases , because Enterprises hull has withstood objects striking its hull , not just energy .

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Report this Oct. 12 2005, 2:32 pm

Quote (Major_Vol @ Oct. 11 2005, 11:34 am)
I dont think thats the case in season 1 . The ship would rock alot . But in season 2 and 4 whenever the Klingons fired at Enterprise the area of impact would turn light blue , as if it was being absorbed . But i dont think its either of those cases , because Enterprises hull has withstood objects striking its hull , not just energy .

Why would the ship rock? Beams of energy carry very little momentum to transfer to a ship.

And powerful magnetic fields can actually deflect objects, and aligning the molecules of the hull is specific manner would strenghten the hull, preventing hull breaches..

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Report this Oct. 12 2005, 2:40 pm

But in all those Trek episodes when we see the ships rock , wouldent several million TJ delivered at 300 000 km/s move the ship even a bit ? I know that projectile weapons sure do .

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Report this Oct. 12 2005, 3:53 pm

Quote (Major_Vol @ Oct. 11 2005, 12:40 pm)
But in all those Trek episodes when we see the ships rock , wouldent several million TJ delivered atkm/s move the ship even a bit ? I know that projectile weapons sure do .

if the beam is being product by massless particles then the momentum is equal to the E/C.

in this case several million TJ ( yeah in your dreams, the largest figure for phaser energy from any of the show runs less that a TJ while the TNG manual show 1.02GW for the enterprise E) /300,000,000 m/s

So let take the the rating of the main phaser array from TNG which 1.02GW of the enterprise E so let say a one second burst would generate 1,020,000 / 300,000,000 =.0034 KG/m/s

Now the enterprise weighs how many KG? It weight would would determine the velocity impart by a phaser blast of duration of 1 sec. V= P/Mass so it not going to be much the enterprise would take hours to move even a CM...

Momentum for Projectiles weapons would be = MV. (1/sqrt root (1- v square/ c Square) *M*V) So a 1 KG rock traveling at 50% C would impart 277113350 KG M/S a big different

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Report this Oct. 12 2005, 4:19 pm

that is a very good question, let me answer  in the following way: yes.

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Report this Oct. 13 2005, 2:32 am

phasers and the like are actually particle weapons so they do carry mass

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Report this Oct. 13 2005, 2:32 am

picard said it in FC, i remember quoting it before

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Report this Oct. 13 2005, 11:27 am

polarizing the hull plating hmmm lets see well first off what kind of sheild do they have lets see an electro cuminatic defense sheild mmm number 2 when you polarize anyhting you give it either a positive or negative charge and with the cuminatic its constantly changing from one variance to another keeping the sheild fluctualting so that any variouse type of strength beam is deflected when polerized it becomes either positly or negitivly charged allowing for specialty blocking of phase wepons depending on the strength thus far allowing the sheild to become 3 times stronger than if it was still in an alternating polarization stage. able to block specific strength attacks.

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Report this Oct. 13 2005, 12:33 pm

Well, Polarizing the Hull plating probrably means running an electromagnetic current through it, ionizing the Hull.  When the energy beam hits the hull plating, some energy would be absorbed to de-polarize the hull.

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Report this Oct. 13 2005, 12:36 pm

i like the paint bucket idea. very retro

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Report this Oct. 13 2005, 8:50 pm

Quote (AquamonkeyEG @ Oct. 12 2005, 12:32 am)
phasers and the like are actually particle weapons so they do carry mass

Even the Momentum of Particle beams are minor, we are talking about 1/000,000,0000 Gram worth of matter striking per second.

A 1 KG rock traveling at several KM/S would impart more Momentum, but at least a particle beam beats a beam of pure energy in this department.

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Report this Oct. 13 2005, 10:35 pm

those particle beams pack quite a punch as some dudes go smack up against a wall when shot

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