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SirCedric2

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Report this Aug. 23 2005, 8:06 pm

Well lets kick this around a bit, we know the plan right now, is you give people an old class Federation ship to use, as your 1st PC vessle. So what do you think should be the old type or types that we can use. Remember this is 20 years after Nemisis, so what we think is new might be old in that time period.

Here are me top 3 ships I feel should be used as your 1st PC vessle.

1. Defiant Class

http://www.st-intelligence.com/ship_database/dom/def.php

It's small and would make for a very nice 1st ship type to use, plus it's over 20 years old in the current time line.

2. Miranda Class

http://www.st-intelligence.com/ship_database/dom/mir.php

The design is over 70 years old, but with a few upgrades it can still be a good ship.

3. Constitution Refit Class

http://www.st-intelligence.com/ship_database/dom/consr.php

This is an old classic, and with the right upgrades, it can still hold it's own.

That is just a few of the ships I think would be good 1st PC ships. So what are a few you feel would make great 1st PC ships in your mind?

Fosnez

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Report this Aug. 23 2005, 8:19 pm

From what I understand from the boards, you can get your first ship well before your a captain, so something even as large as a defiant is out of the question IMHO, I think the FIRST type of PC ship you could get would be something like this EndGame Shuttle (Its about the right timeframe). After you gaim more rank/skill/prestige you will probably be able to access a Saber Class

Chaldean

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Report this Aug. 23 2005, 8:29 pm

I think the Defiant is a great candidate for first PC ship.  It is fairly modern, and has a small crew complement.  The Saber class would be great for the same reasons.  Perhaps also the Nova.

The Akira class is my personal favourite, and would be a great step up.

They're smaller ships, but they have a certain character to them; a personality that is lost with a larger ship.

The Constitution class might be a bit too large for a first PC ship.  The Miranda and Consitution are both fairly old models and would probably be phased out by that time, or in the middle of being phased out.  I realize that a lot of players like these designs, so perhaps PE will find a storyline way to save them from decommissioning.

Magecu

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Report this Aug. 23 2005, 8:38 pm

Fosnez you can fly a ship befor ataining rank of captain but it is just TC (temp comision) wile for a PC (permanent comision) you need the captain rank.
So the first ships you will be flying will be shutels but your first PC will be somthing bigger.

I dont think that the defiant will be counted as an old ship maybe oldish but not old. If you look at the Oberth clas it was in use even before TOS and is still in comision at end of DS9. So maybe some inbetween ships. Somthing from the begining of the TNG series or from hte TOS movies. But it is hard to find small ships.

So in the end maybe the defiant will still be one of the first ships you get, but I wouldn't get my hopes on for it.

Fosnez

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Report this Aug. 23 2005, 9:08 pm

Quote (Magecu @ Aug. 22 2005, 6:38 pm)
Fosnez you can fly a ship befor ataining rank of captain but it is just TC (temp comision) wile for a PC (permanent comision) you need the captain rank.
So the first ships you will be flying will be shutels but your first PC will be somthing bigger.

Thanks for the info, my mistake...


Keep in mind the defient class was scrapped because of the issues with energy systems etc... it even says that in the link that SirCedric2 gave (Yes i know its not a cannon source)

Qwo

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Report this Aug. 23 2005, 9:10 pm

Meh. I'm not too keen on the idea of using the Defiant as a "starter" ship. Even though it's an excellent ship, and could be considered "old" in the time of STO, I believe it to be too badass to be a ship that everyone has. If it was to become a starter ship, then it would be that generic low-key, crappy starter ship that everyone has and nobody wants. I think that players should actually work for the Defiant, seeing as how sturdy a vessel it is. STO turning it into a  CDEF version would definately suck hardcore.

As for the Miranda class; perhaps. Ther are various refits of the class, about four or five at the time of Nemesis. It's an excellent and highly modifiable class, and its array of refits could definately make it a possible candidate for a good starter ship, however outdated it may be.

And then there's the Constitution refit. I'm against it. Although it's a pretty nice-looking ship (in my opinion), it's EXTREMELY outdated in the TNG/DS9/VOY era. Twenty years later, I doubt it would fit in well at all. Perhaps it could be a sort of "training vessel" of the Academy, due to its legendary status in the history of Starfleet. You know, Kirk and all. But, now that I think about it, it seems to me that the Academy would want the latest in technology to train the up-and-coming officers. Alas... negatory.

But, hey, who listens to Qwo? :p

Chaldean

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Report this Aug. 23 2005, 9:14 pm

All excellent points, Qwo.  I think that the Miranda may be a little big for a starter ship, but the refits mean it could still be viable in other duties.

Magecu

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Report this Aug. 23 2005, 9:21 pm

Qwo I too agree with you. With the same exception Chal pointed the miranda could be a little to big for a starter PC.
Somthing smaller would be needed.

Qwo

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Report this Aug. 23 2005, 9:25 pm

Yes, now that I've actually read the specs for the Miranda, it does seem a wee bit large.

And there's another thing I noticed; that the Constitution-refit has a bigger crew compliment than the Miranda. Odd, I always thought the latter looked bigger. Huh. Silly me.  ;)

ensignPGM

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Report this Aug. 23 2005, 9:42 pm

I have to agree with some of the points that Qwo made about the Defiant about not using it as starter ship, something like a Saber or Nova would be better. But I don't agree with the point about it being old. By the time of STO, the defiant's will be at their first major overhauling point, I think I've read that in the DS9 Tech book, so they would be as good as new.

The Constitution-class(refit) point, I don't see where the problem is with it not being included in the game. The Miranda's are still around and they were built using the same parts and tech. The Academy point to your post, only Red Squad from the DS9 story got to play with a brand new ship, the normal cadets got to play with a Starship that hadn't left Sector 001 in a over 80 years.

MigueIitoSan

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Report this Aug. 23 2005, 9:45 pm

I think Miranda would have finally seen the end of it's days by 2400.

Chaldean

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Report this Aug. 23 2005, 9:48 pm

Red Squad are Academy Cadets.  While Academy cadets may put up with beater ships like that, Cedric's post referred to "player-commissioned ships", not the first starship postings in the game.

Sure, your first PC ship will probably be oldish and in need of upgrades, but not like a "Starship that hasn't left Sector 001 in a over 80 years"

Constitutions. Mirandas and the ilk would probably be relegated to musems, scarp, and maybe Academy trainers.

MigueIitoSan

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Report this Aug. 23 2005, 9:58 pm

Haha! "This is the nacelle of the USS Reliant. A crazy man almost killed captain Kirk in that ship!"

Gost_Dajtink

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Report this Aug. 24 2005, 5:34 am

I forget, but I believe Master Chief Petty Officers of todays US Navy train aboard the USS Constitution as sort of a leadership/team building exercise.

A constitution refit ship while old, can still teach the basics of Starship use, command, and upkeep. The basic ideas are the same, and really you wouldn't want a cadet trying to fix the plasma injectors of your newer and more valuable ships right?

I say make it the academy training ship. Heck..the klingons are still using the bird of prey. Its a sound design.

Romulan189

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Report this Aug. 25 2005, 3:10 am

Hey, what about the Excelsior Class? I would think of that before the Constitution Refit. My favorite class

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