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Aug. 14 2005, 1:01 pm
| Quote (JazH @ Aug. 14 2005, 6:59 pm) | | Quote (Carmageddon @ Aug. 13 2005, 5:55 pm) | | Quote (Magecu @ Aug. 14 2005, 6:47 pm) | The thing that PE is not yet sure how to make an economy if make it is a good sign.
The only thing I am afraid is that they won't follow what was said in the dev blog and will make a standard MMOG. They did say that they don't like how other MMOGs work and i certainly would like to see them deviate from the beaten path. |
I believe they wont make it standard MMORPG, cause doing this is admitting failure to make something special with the special raw material they have (ST licence).
About economy, I prefer to think that additional time will allow PE to find the best formula for economics.
IMO if they would do 2 factions from the start (Ferengy and Federation), it would allow to solve the problem of property. and therefore those who want property will play as Ferengi? |
ferengi might not be required, but possible a trader profession...? |
If I may correct you, its trader skills, not proffession  not within Starfleet at least |
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Aug. 14 2005, 1:03 pm
| Quote (Carmageddon @ Aug. 13 2005, 6:01 pm) | | Quote (JazH @ Aug. 14 2005, 6:59 pm) | | Quote (Carmageddon @ Aug. 13 2005, 5:55 pm) | | Quote (Magecu @ Aug. 14 2005, 6:47 pm) | The thing that PE is not yet sure how to make an economy if make it is a good sign.
The only thing I am afraid is that they won't follow what was said in the dev blog and will make a standard MMOG. They did say that they don't like how other MMOGs work and i certainly would like to see them deviate from the beaten path. |
I believe they wont make it standard MMORPG, cause doing this is admitting failure to make something special with the special raw material they have (ST licence).
About economy, I prefer to think that additional time will allow PE to find the best formula for economics.
IMO if they would do 2 factions from the start (Ferengy and Federation), it would allow to solve the problem of property. and therefore those who want property will play as Ferengi? |
ferengi might not be required, but possible a trader profession...? |
If I may correct you, its trader skills, not proffession not within Starfleet at least |
Starfleet doesn't do trade, civilians do however... If i remember correctly from DS9. -------------- Jaz Star Trek Online Universe - STGUStarTrekOnlineUniverse.com |
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Aug. 14 2005, 1:18 pm
Ferengies could be as a player race and could have a racial trait or skill that let's them trade within starfleet and with other races.
Well other options are posible and porbably beter than this one.
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Aug. 14 2005, 3:02 pm
Hm 20 years seems a pretty long way into the future. Why not just 5? Or maybe 10 at most? Heck you would think that after 20 years, by then everyone would be wearing the "future" uniforms as seen in all episodes where the future is seen. Because by then I think Riker would be in command of his ship, Beverly in charge of her medical ship, and the others spread around. But in the episode where you see Beverly on her medical ship (All Good Things), that was the uniform she had on. And that couldnt be more than 20 years after Nemesis. Uni pic 1Uni Pic 2 |
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Aug. 14 2005, 4:39 pm
| Quote (Tal_Shiar_Officer @ Aug. 13 2005, 9:40 pm) | | Thanks for responding, Harry, and yes, I know I am being overly harsh. I just needed to vent a little -- while it is understandable that they didn't read the FAQ, it still is irritating from my perspective to have them using the time asking questions which have already been answered. |
heh, that is fairly typical. You did not represent the target audience there. Perhaps there will be conventions just for Star Trek Online, as some other online games hold annual conventions. Of course, even at conventions where the target audience is more well informed you will still find many people who don't know as much as you take for granted. It can be a bit painful being a member of the well informed minority. You might want to find a way to deal with all those people who continaully ask the same basic questions, because they will. :p Thank you for sharing your experience. Perhaps next year there will be much more information to discuss and maybe you'll find other well informed players attending you can group with for a more constructive chat. :) |
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Aug. 14 2005, 7:33 pm
I guess most who met up expected an "classic" aggro tanking mmo with an sec officer who "tanks" mob spawns in an ship on an route(half auto, or 1 player plane style) who looks like an common mision area in some games, with an klingon or something who shout and taunt enemy borgs at him, tanking for DD sec dudes to kill, and an doc hypospraying tanking dude under battle.  Im agreeing in the mmorpg.com interwiew, though, there dahlgren told starfleet can manage on their own, without any marines, that has always been the way used in series, and wars isnt new, klingon, romulan, borg, etc. Hmm, Glen Dahlgren... that name is sort of fammiliar, wonder where i know it from.... |
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Aug. 14 2005, 7:36 pm
| Quote (kimNO @ Aug. 14 2005, 12:33 am) | I guess most who met up expected an "classic" aggro tanking mmo with an sec officer who "tanks" mob spawns in an ship on an route(half auto, or 1 player plane style) who looks like an common mision area in some games, with an klingon or something who shout and taunt enemy borgs at him, tanking for DD sec dudes to kill, and an doc hypospraying tanking dude under battle.
Im agreeing in the mmorpg.com interwiew, though, there dahlgren told starfleet can manage on their own, without any marines, that has always been the way used in series, and wars isnt new, klingon, romulan, borg, etc.
Hmm, Glen Dahlgren... that name is sort of fammiliar, wonder where i know it from.... |
http://www.mobygames.com/developer/sheet/view/developerId,604/ Ring a Bell? Very true about wars are not new... |
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Aug. 14 2005, 8:24 pm
Yea, every new movie and TV genre features some changes to the uniform, no probs here.
Good stuff TSO!
I wish we could come up with some alternatives to the standard MMO economy model. It's tough to complain about it when I can't come up with some alternative ideas. I know I don't wan't to kill mobs to get money. Pleanty of fantasy MMORPG's for that.
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Aug. 15 2005, 1:22 am
Well, in a mild defense of my war scenario--it only took Germany 20 years to become the world's greatest threat after its resounding defeat in WWI.
If my abacus is working, we're talking about 23 years after the Dominion War. And the difference in this scenerio than the Dominion War is that Cardacian Territory was the Battlefield, whereas in the invasion I suggested everyone gets to take it straight into the Federation from two (or more) sides--explaination enough for an emboldened Cardacia in my opinion. War is always risky...but that's usually an insufficient deterent in itself.
I'll heartilly concede there's probably a hundred better ways to handle a War Backdrop for the game than the one I proposed. I only fear there're far more that're worse that might include the one ending up being selected. And like so many have mentioned here...the prospect of this thing turning out to be a stale Wargame-with-a-Trek-logo is a stark one that I hope the developers are acutely vigilent in avoiding.
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Aug. 15 2005, 5:36 am
| Quote (Tal_Shiar_Officer @ Aug. 14 2005, 7:54 pm) | | I came up with an alternative if you are interested. |
Aye, I have read and replied to that thread. Worth a second read (or a first if you didn't see it). Some good ideas there. |
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Aug. 15 2005, 5:51 am
Perpetual STO License?
Star Trek Nemesis + 20 years = Toss Star Trek Canon Out
Crews are no longer the norm? Everyone is a captain?
I know I'm posting on multiple threads how unhappy I am, but taking the crew out of Star Trek and making everyone captain to participate is just not right.
Perpetual, please... for the love of God, do not do to ST:O what SOE did to Star Wars Galaxies. The elusive Jedi is a joke there and making everyone need to be captain and flying their own ships to participate is just wrong.
A CREW with captain down to the lowly ensign and even cadets is what made Star Trek what it is. PLEASE do not attempt to change that. You risk alienating all of your true Star Trek fans that are gamers if you do.
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Aug. 15 2005, 6:32 am
| Quote (Larzz @ Aug. 14 2005, 10:51 am) | Perpetual STO License?
Star Trek Nemesis + 20 years = Toss Star Trek Canon Out
Crews are no longer the norm? Everyone is a captain?
I know I'm posting on multiple threads how unhappy I am, but taking the crew out of Star Trek and making everyone captain to participate is just not right.
Perpetual, please... for the love of God, do not do to ST:O what SOE did to Star Wars Galaxies. The elusive Jedi is a joke there and making everyone need to be captain and flying their own ships to participate is just wrong.
A CREW with captain down to the lowly ensign and even cadets is what made Star Trek what it is. PLEASE do not attempt to change that. You risk alienating all of your true Star Trek fans that are gamers if you do. |
Absurd... SWG failed simply because SoE got stuck with having to comply with canon not only in the future, but also the past, they were not allowed to creatively express ideas. They could nt make up stories that actually interested people or suprised them. 20 years in the future doesn't mean the world has falled apart, that the romulans now rule the galaxy and the borg are now the federations pals... It simply allows breathing space to make the overarching story to be more powerful without destroying canon. Crews are a big part of STO... Mitch mentioned a while back, that if you solo, you won''t really be given the same opportunities as people in crews. -------------- Jaz Star Trek Online Universe - STGUStarTrekOnlineUniverse.com |
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Aug. 15 2005, 7:44 am
Larzz, was the latest dev blog not convincing enough for you? It addressed many of your concerns. I think PE is on the right track. SWG must have left a bad taste in your mouth. I'm glad I threw it in the trash 2 days after I bought it; couldn't even use arrow buttons to move around. Anyways all we can do now is let PE know what aspects of MMO's we liked and didn't like and what direction we'd like to see STO take. | Quote | Star Trek Nemesis + 20 years = Toss Star Trek Canon Out
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Nonsence. |
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Aug. 15 2005, 7:54 am
Nice work Tal |
