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Official Perpetual STO Website Is Needed

Danubus

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Report this Jun. 14 2005, 12:58 pm

and Ellessar doesnt?  lol


Actually, good luck Chess. I was working for a website called Everquest Express back before beta in EQ. It was a website devoted to stories and roleplaying in EQ. One of the main people working at the site was Absor. He did a lot of things in the early days for EQ and became their Community Spokesman. So, good luck, but remember when you get the job do what your allowed to do by PE and try always to keep a civil, respectable tone on the boards.

Ellessar

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Report this Jun. 14 2005, 2:52 pm

Quote (Danubus @ June 14 2005, 9:58 am)
and Ellessar doesnt? lol

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Doesn't what?

Danubus

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Report this Jun. 14 2005, 3:38 pm

have an ego?  =)

Ellessar

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Report this Jun. 14 2005, 3:40 pm

Quote (Danubus @ June 14 2005, 12:38 pm)
have an ego? =)

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Who ever said he doesn't?  That however, does not negate my points.

HailTrickster

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Report this Jun. 14 2005, 3:59 pm

They don't have an opening for Community Manager yet. To fill the position of Community Manager for Gods & Heroes is simple compared to the STO position. The STO CM will get burned whether they are known to the community or not. With him/her being an outsider they won't know about the different sites/factions/opinions there are. If they are known then they couldl be followed by some and looked down upon by others.

This game won't be made to simply appeal to MMOG gamers, it has to appeal to Star Trek Fans and Star Trek Gamers as well to really do well. Balancing the game just right will be very hard. It isn't even at the Alpha stage? and there is already conflict in the community.

My vote would be Trey Watkins without a doubt! If you know who he is and what he did then you will agree too. Now there is a guy who knows how to handle the more difficult people in the community and he had everyone's respect.

JazH

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Report this Jun. 14 2005, 4:47 pm

I hope the moderator on the forums is no-one from the community - There will be bias, its probabl better to have moderators that do not delete or warn or anything of that kind except remove topics that are extremely abusive or spam.

Ellesar (I think you mentioned something about normal CM from other MMOGs)...I hope not, the other CM's are extremely idiotic imo and totally out of touch with the community. If there were in touch we wouldnt have the thousands of complaints a week that we have about most games. Some do an extremely poor job, basically giving information to the people that the developers have decided and not reaching out, finding out what people want and then returning with a decent solution. They should be the bridge in the community, not the postman.

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Ellessar

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Report this Jun. 14 2005, 5:27 pm

Quote (JazH @ June 14 2005, 1:47 pm)
I hope the moderator on the forums is no-one from the community - There will be bias, its probabl better to have moderators that do not delete or warn or anything of that kind except remove topics that are extremely abusive or spam.

Ellesar (I think you mentioned something about normal CM from other MMOGs)...I hope not, the other CM's are extremely idiotic imo and totally out of touch with the community. If there were in touch we wouldnt have the thousands of complaints a week that we have about most games. Some do an extremely poor job, basically giving information to the people that the developers have decided and not reaching out, finding out what people want and then returning with a decent solution. They should be the bridge in the community, not the postman.

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I mentioned nothing about normal community Managers.  I'm not saying others do a good job or don't.  As for Community Mannagers being postmen for the devs, well that is sort of the point.  THe community managers don't design the games or have a say in what happens in development.  They only take the ideas of the community to the devs and the devs make the choices.  Likewise they go back to the community and tell people what the devs have decided.  Too many people fail to realize that the Community manager is not actually a game developer.

Now my opinion on who should be chosen is simply someone not already a member of the STO community.  There are two reasons for this.  The first, you are going to honk off all the other community members who may have wanted the job and did not get it.  That is a minor concern I agree.  However, it is something worth taking into account.

My real reservation about anyone currently from the community is simple.  The perception of bias will always exist.  If you pick someone with clear ties to the community with clear passions you are asking for trouble.  Even if the said individual is the most fair and nonbias person in the world, the perception will still be there.  And as I said before, perception is enough.  Perception is reality and therefore even the thought of bias will lead to problems.

Now in terms of ChessMess as an individual.  I don't know him and cannot comment on how well he would do the job.  But I can comment on what I have observed.  I have observed a man who does not take part in any discussion on these boards.  I have observed a man who only made an appearance to plug himself for the position.  I have observed a man who has clear ties to the community.  I have observed a man who clearly knows some community members better than others.  

Those are my perceptions of the man.  What conclusion would you reach about this man if you did not already know him?  Probably not a very good one.  Now, again I am not against ChessMess.  I wish him all the best.  He may very well be a super guy.  However, the perception of possible bias is there.  True or not, the perception is there and that's enough.  Also, people who don't know him have the perception he is a self serving man with an ego.  

I don't know him and I am not picking on him.  My opinion is simply that regardless of anyones contributions, a person from outside the STO community would be best.  Now, that is only an opinion.  It is not fact, and I don't claim to be speaking for anyone but myself.  That is simply how I feel about the issue.

JazH

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Report this Jun. 14 2005, 6:29 pm

Ellessar I would probably agree with you, at this time however, it may not be best to have a community manager froma community thats obviously divided fairly badly on many issues.

Say in a year, or two down the line, people who are following the game, will probably be people who support the game and its ideas, hence the bias much lower.

Despite this, I never think having an outsider doing community work is a good idea, nor do I believe that Community Managers in the past have really been relaying the proper thoughts of the players to the developers, just the thoughts of the devs going to the community.

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Ortus_Sapienta

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Report this Jun. 14 2005, 10:47 pm

I still think the Community manager should be a badass.

Take no quarter and give no ground. After all as it has been pointed out, we (the community) are going to make their jobs hell regardless of how well liked or disliked they are by each of us on a personal basis.

~Ortus

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