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Report this Jun. 15 2005, 11:07 pm

Does R2X still post on this thread?


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Report this Jun. 15 2005, 11:23 pm

Apparently not.


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Report this Jun. 21 2005, 8:46 pm

Taps play
"And so we commend the bodies of our fallen brothers to space"

*sniff* Ill miss you thread *sniff*
:cry: :cry: :cry:


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Report this Jun. 21 2005, 8:51 pm

Why did you guys revive and bump this thread? Do you want to increase its size so that it rivals the alpha/beta sign-ups? Or are you just spamming?


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Report this Jun. 21 2005, 10:16 pm

I agree with Tal here.  This topic has been discused and there is obviosuly not much more to be said on the subject.  I'm sure the devs are aware this is an issue of contention and I'm sure it will be addressed in a future information release.  

Stop bumping it just because you don't want it to go away.  Tirak, you especially have been bumping this thread for no reason.  It was funny at first, but no the joke is long dead.


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Report this Nov. 10 2010, 10:07 pm

Quote: Ellessar @ May. 14 2005, 2:10 am


>>Quote (DSWynn @ May 13 2005, 7:16 pm) style="color: #000000;">The Marines has always performed duties on Naval Ships. Why should it be any differant, now that we have space Crafts. Marines whould be on space ships for security and tatical(spelling) duties. Like the Marines do on current naval ships!!!!!

Secondly, Marines Pilots will be under starfleet command. Marines pilots are trained by starfleet and would be capable of operating from starfleet carriers!!!!! For example, Marines piolts are requried to be carrier qualified and they also operat of naval carriers!!! They are 4 marines fighter attack Suad. on Navy carriers to this date. So you can not seperate Starfleet Marines from the Starfleet. As you know Marines are a department of the navy.

Lastly,I know some of you dont like the Starfleet marines because of the nature of the ocupation; however, they are needed. Starfleet Security are not assualt forces marines are!!!!! Next time the Jem Hadar attack a space station, how would you want to lead the attack, Security or Marines?

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> style="text-decoration: underline;">In fact aside from a large deck amphib or the few marine aviators of a carrier air wing you would not see a marine on any other naval vessel.  

> style="text-decoration: underline;">Take it from me.  I have been in the US Navy my entire adult life. As a rule marines do not serve on naval vessels.  Marines use Naval vessels as transportation.  They do not crew the vessels.  And I don't care how many exclimation points you use that is a fact.
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During World War II, Marines continued to serve on capital ships. They often were assigned to man anti-aircraft batteries. When gun cruisers were retired by the 1960s, the remaining Marine detachments were only seen on battleships and carriers. Its original mission of providing shipboard security finally ended in the 1990s when nuclear weapons were withdrawn from active deployment and the battleships were retired.


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Marines and GW Navy personnel training together aboard ship

GW Sailors, FAST Marines Cross-Train on Shipboard Security Measures
By Mass Communication Specialist 3rd Class William P. Gatlin

Posted: May 26, 2009

WESTERN PACIFIC OCEAN - Thirty Marines assigned to Fleet Anti-Terrorism Security Team Pacific (FASTPAC) Company, 5th Platoon, based at Fleet Activities Yokosuka, are underway with USS George Washington (CVN 73) conducting joint security force training with GW security personnel.


Click for a closer look. PACIFIC OCEAN (May 22, 2009) – Marines with Fleet Anti-Terrorism Security Team Pacific (FASTPAC) instruct Navy Diver 1st Class Joshua Amberger, Explosive Ordnance Disposal Technician 2nd Class Neal Weston, and Navy Diver 2nd Class Brian Shubert during a M-240B machine gun live fire exercise on the fantail of the USS George Washington (CVN-73). Marines from FASTPAC are conducting training with George Washington security forces. (U.S. Navy photo by Mass Communication Specialist Seaman Adam K. Thomas/RELEASED)
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Marine Capt. Christopher Dell, the platoon commander, said cross training opportunities like this one allow members of both services to enhance their training and experience in order to better maintain the overall security of the ship.

“I think it’s very beneficial for the Marines and Sailors to integrate together,” said MA1 Mark Delisle, who serves as GW’s command investigator and leading petty officer of Operations Department’s, ON division. “Even though both services use basically the same techniques and tactics, cross training gives both Sailors and Marines an opportunity to learn different things that each of us might do differently. That’s mainly what it’s all about. We’re just trying to broaden our horizons as it relates to doing our jobs.”

The Marines came on board to share with Sailors their expertise in the Marine Corps Martial Arts Program (MCMAP) and non-lethal hand-to-hand combat. They’ll also conduct Mechanical Advantage Control Hold (MACH) drills, oleoresin capsicum (OC) spray qualifications and weapons training, as well as Visit, Board, Search, and Seizure (VBSS) drills.

“We will be instructing GW Masters-at-Arms in MCMAP techniques to better protect themselves and using hand-to-hand and baton MACH drills to further train them in their existing abilities to maintain the safety of GW against any confrontation,” said Squad Leader Cpl. Austin Rice.


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Report this Nov. 10 2010, 10:33 pm

Quote: Kinneas @ Apr. 27 2005, 5:30 am

Words are important:

  How strong do these words sound and what do they say?



---   I hope the new series finally moves us away from this mamby, pamby, touchie feely that the 80's/90's Star Trek was and I hope we see some 'real' men again.

  I dug the 80's and 90's shows for what they were...but we are a nation at war and I'm just not so inclined these days to watch anything all pacifist and touchie feely.

I want agression and lots of it.



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Report this Nov. 10 2010, 10:36 pm

Quote: Cormoran @ Apr. 27 2005, 6:15 am

i say the second one infers some type of body of water rather than space.

And anyways, nice sanitized terms are exactly where we're heading. we've managed to turn 'shell shock' into 'post-traumatic stress disorder' already, imagine what we'll call it in 300 years.

the term Espatiers for space marines, since after all the term "marine" implies the ocean (French marine, from Latin marinus, derived from mare "sea".)"Espatier" is a twofer. Its formation exactly parallels "Marine" (also French-derived, as are nearly all basic military terms), and it also parallels the English word "spacer," but with a nice shade of meaning - a spacer is anyone who lives/works in space; an espatier is a space soldier.


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Report this Nov. 10 2010, 10:39 pm

Quote: Cormoran @ Apr. 28 2005, 9:42 pm

Quote its like comparing a mall security guard to an army soldier in Iraq.

so these 'mall security guards' have managed to defeat the borg, Q, dominion, numerous alpha/beta/delta quadrant species. Damn if i ever own a mall i want these security guards!

yes, and that is why its a T.V. show and not the news


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Report this Nov. 10 2010, 10:44 pm

Quote: MAXIMISE @ Apr. 28 2005, 10:18 pm

>LOL, we have come full circle... more people still thinking Security = Guard/MP I can only point out that the Gold Uniform means Engineering/TACTICAL and SECURITY.

I will say again, peacekeepers trained in heavy combat are what Starfleet Tactical forces are. They don't need semantics to make them feel better about what they are. For all intents and purposes they are fighting fit, ready for heavy combat and have the equipment so that even a weak ferengi like Nog can have a crack. ie They don't need a MACO badge and a seperate division to have to constantly work under to perform above what a Marine could do.

"peace keepers" like the ones in Bosnia in May of 1995 The spectacle of 350 Dutch Peacekeepers, held hostage by the Serbs around Sarajevo in response to NATO air strikes, stuns the UN. NO integrity!!


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Report this Nov. 10 2010, 11:10 pm

Quote: JazH @ Jun. 09 2005, 3:45 pm

>Quote (Ortus_Sapienta @ June 08 2005, 8:01 pm)Quote (Cormoran @ June 09 2005, 9:37 am)Quote Havent you ever heard anyone refer to space as the Ocean of Space.  

No, I havent.
Nor have I.

I have..


I don't care what they show on Star Trek or Star Wars, space is not an ocean. Far too many SF shows make the scientifically inaccurate assumption that space travel will be just like ocean travel.

This is very wrong.

In particular, space is not two-dimensional, there is no friction in space, and spacecraft will not have their decks laid out as if they were seagoing vessels.


More debatably, spacecraft classes will probably not be named after naval ship classes (e.g., Cruiser, Battleship, Destroyer, Frigate, etc.), the military rank structure will probably be more like the Air Force instead of the Navy, and space pirates are highly unlikely.

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