Star Trek

I think in one way I have more respect for them than I do for ...

  I love a romantic.

  Ya know.  It's those folks who started the first petitions in the late 60's to bring Star Trek back from cancellation.
 
  It's those folks who have for years and years put on the conventions, written books, created merchandise and made the Star Trek industry that exists today.

  The same folks, who through thier efforts saw computer games developed...

    ...and look at us here...on a Star Trek bbs trying to influence the direction of the next Star Trek game.

  Only to a small degree is there ANY difference between you or them...or I.

 I love it.  You love it.  They love it.

 All in our OWN ways.

 I love the romantic way more than someone who is lukewarm about their interests.

  If you don't love Star Trek THAT much...then why are you here?  
    If you are not fanatical about Star Trek your opinions on these boards, in MY opinion matter half as much as the guy who is obsessed.
 
  Because when YOU are gone.  He'll be the one playing.

    With the latest developer comments about:  "No autonomy", "Lack of content creation" and "We're making this for the folks who will play on weekends", leads me to believe they are NOT making the game for the folks you are talking about because those people will want 24/7 Star Trek HOMES.
   
  THEY are your target audience.

  What in the heck is SO hard to understand about that idea ?

  The developers AREN'T really making Star Trek Online if they don't make if for those folks FIRST and the rest of us LAST.

  What happens if in a year or two when someone with some guts wants to make the Star Trek MMO THEY want (you know the one I'm talking about because I read it in your posts they ignore everyday)?

  You can't have two Star Trek Onlines.  Their MMO will be superior and more diserving of the title Star Trek Online.

  So, speaking for the above mentioned fan, based on all this weeks comments by development I propose they:

  - Walk away from this, because they 'aint' gettin' it.

  - Develop it for the obsessed first and the 'weekend gamer' LAST.

  - Call thier development something else, because what they are describing  isn't it.

  I don't feel special or that we WON anything in the Klingon's in Starfleet battle either.    
   The issue was CANON and MOOT to begin with and NO new Articles of Federation existed that stated otherwise.  
   It should have been stated 'correctly' at the release of the FIRST FAQ.

  If they couldn't get THAT one point right from the start...perhaps the WRONG people are helming it.

 So that is why I trust the NERDS first and the developer last in this.
 Because The nerds knew it was canon right off the bat.


  Hey. To end on a good note.
  Yes. I still want to give them the benefit of the doubt 'until beta'.
  Yes...dear goodness...yes do I want them to suceed!


  Harry said the one word that still gives me a shred of hope.

  ADAPT.

   Adapt Perpetual. Adapt!

You're saying that we only have the uber geeks who dress up as Starfleet officers and really, like some of the crazed role players mentioned in this thread, pretend and force others to pretned that they are actually members of Starfleet in the future, to thank for Star Trek? Sod off, get down off your high horse and take whatever chip you have off your shoulder. You say we all love it in our own ways, fine, but then you ask;

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You can't have two Star Trek Onlines.  Their MMO will be superior and more diserving of the title Star Trek Online.

If you think the other Star Trek MMO in development will be more deserving of the title then SOD OFF to their forums and give your valuable input on their design.

I've met some Crazed Roleplayers and they don't bug me in the sense that as long as I roleplay around them, they leave me alone. Do one OOC action and they either kick you out or critize you so much that you wish you were kicked out. Then there are the "Elite" Roleplayers that believe that anyone that can't roleplay as well as them is just dirt and won't stop till you feel that way. I wish they would all die in a freak accident.

My two cents.

No Kinneas I would say what you are suggesting is maddness.  You are not living 24/7 star trek.  It is a game and you are not actually going to be a star fleet officer.  You will be playing one.  Playing the game is one thing.  Dressing up in a costume (and no I do not say uniform), sitting at your desk, playing STO almost nonstop all day everday thinking you are actually on the bridge of your ship is obsession.

This game is the Trek only club.  If you market a game for those who live and breath trek then it will flop.  Those are the folks who want to live the game instead of play it.  I don't those type of folks represent the majorit.

I love Star Trek, but I don't dress in costumes and learn klingon.  It's one thing to be a fan and learn a fewwords of klingon from watching and readingthe fiction.  Butif you set out to learn klingon as a language I think that is bizzare.  

Now people may not agree with me which isfine. However, I think that everyone will agree that folks who are that into Star Trek are not the majority and its probably a better idea to market a  game that appeals to a broader audience.

Assimilate them all I say!

Ortus_Sapienta
commented on these kind of people grouping up and I want to group up with same people like Ortus_Sapienta but the only thing I'm now looking forward to in this game is the civil war! LOL

I will get bored of this forum wont come back to this forum until the game starts but I want to say. Anyone interested in attacking the Enterprise with me just to see how it goes is my friends because no doubt it will be a crew of hundreds of real life Borg style men with attachments to their PC's roleplaying while completing missions. Should the creators of this game read this, please allow espionage and spys. I'd love nothing more than to undermine these peoples efforts for a laugh. Thats would be such a fun game! offcourse I'll have a go at being a good boy just to see how that goes. Its all about experiance and getting the most out of the game for me everyone!

Im with Graff here Kinneas. Romantics are all well and good, but we arent talking about romantics, we're talking about people who are two visits away from being committed to the mental institution of your choice.


~Ortus

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Perhaps some.

 The others work for the DoD.

I think the fact something so innocuous would "irk" you is a clear indication of bad character.

I understand where Kinneas is coming from and agree wholeheartedly that it will be the ones who love Trek most that will be playing this game longest.

I think that the "nerds" comment was a bit of a caricature; something to prove a point, not illustrate a fact.  It's an extreme that shows the level of some fans' loyalty and/or lack of a so-called "normal" hobby.

If people can dress up in costumes and recreate the Civil War battles as a hobby, then why can't Trekkies dress up and roleplay a bit?  The idea that an historical battle recreation is any more productive than roleplaying a flight across the galaxy is absurd.  There are TONS of absurd hobbies in the same vein.  Actors hop up on a stage to do free productions of Shakespeare's works in public parks and some people learn a manner of speech long dead and speak it with an American accent at Renaissance Faires.

Who's to say that we don't have people who are just as obsessed with politics as some are about Star Trek?  I assure you that we do.

We are an obsessive people and a dismissive people who like to see things in black and white, rather than accept grey as an answer.  "If my opinion isn't shared by you, then there's the road, bub."  That's why things like witch hunts and the Red Scare took place and still happen all over the globe.

True, people who dress up in costumes to play at their computer are a bit extreme (since no one will see them), but if they aren't hurting anyone, I don't really care.  In fact, it's those very people who I'd like to see as admirals and commodores.

I can trust those people to adhere to canon and thus, their missions will make sense and remain immersive.  Could I say that about an l33t d00d who asks me to go kill 500 Romulans as a mission goal?

If this game's content is so shallow that it can't hold the attention of anyone for more than 10 hours a week, then I can't see how it will succeed.

That's why we speculate on what we'd like to see, based upon canon and what the devs have told us.  We are being vocal about the depth we'd like to see.

Look - if the people who watch/read/play Trek can stomach technobabble, time continuum loops, and parallel universes, then I think it's safe to say that most people who like Trek are moderately intelligent.  That necessitates a game that will provide a decent challenge in order to make it rewarding.

The challenge of a game shouldn't be in how long you play, how well you followed the website spoiler, or how well you can remain in-character.  The challenge should come from acting together as a team toward a common goal and having enough leeway to complete a mission in more than one way (or even ten).

Kinneas's point about keeping to canon is a valid one.  If it isn't Trek, why call it that?  Anything else is CoH or WoW with Starfleet Uniforms.

That's neither innovative, nor good for longevity.  EQII may not be everyone's cup of tea, but it's not as easy to leap to the end as it is in WoW.  They didn't go deep enough as far as gameplay and content go though.  People can still reach 50 with a month of hardcore play and a little help.  WoW can be mastered solo in that time frame.

The dumbing down of games is what turns a great game into a cakewalk.  No matter how good the gameplay is initially, if it's not challenging, then people move on (too quickly, I might add).

EQ was difficult.  Successful?  You bet.  DAoC took note of this and did not water down the formula.  Subsequent offerings have either failed or received lukewarm responses until EQII and WoW came out.  They had name recognition.  Both are rolling high with new subscribers nowadays.  Unfortunately, they are losing them almost as fast.

Sure, they are making money.  At what cost, though?  Their integrity?

EQII has the jaded people who left EQ after years of worthless expansions crying foul at the sheer amount of "features" that are only available with additional fees per month.  

WoW lacks depth and even the PvP lovers loathe not being able to talk to the opposing faction.  It is possible to make top level in nine days in WoW.  It is possible to ignore every other living soul and still make level 50 in no time flat.

Depth, immersion, difficulty.  These are the things that have to be balanced with fun.  It's a daunting task and I am looking forward to how Perpetual Entertainment juggles Star Trek, Fun, and Challenge.

You got to realize, you have people that go to conventions dressed in various costumes and other show up in normal clothes. Basically the same thing goes for online games. Some people find it fun to RP the way they do while others find it boring or crazy.