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Report this Mar. 15 2005, 6:58 pm

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I refrain from engaging in debates with Creationists because I also follow the Dogbertian philosophy, which clearly states "Always Postpone Meetings with Time-wasting Morons." :sick:

I am not debating creation, creation happened, now, I am determining who is to take credit for it.

That'd be me, you sniveling little primates. :laugh:

Nah, its blatantly obvious no intelligent life-form designed anything in nature.

I mean, it's all It's so terribly energy inefficient! And life forms are constantly breaking down!

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You are not going to break down, honestly babe, intelligent life still exists despite all evidence to the contrary.

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Report this Mar. 20 2005, 5:39 pm

I would like to know how anyone can honestly believe that all of life just happened randomly?  How can anyone make any kind of choices, moral or otherwise that way?  Honestly, if I thought this was all there is, it was random, Why not rob a bank and live like the devil's own daughter-in-law?

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Report this Mar. 21 2005, 2:11 pm

If evolution isn't correct then it really doesn't matter.  However what keeps me going is the fact that my government (the United States) doesn't care what I think morally.  All the U.S. government cares about is the safety and well being of the people, who ultimately decide the laws and who is to enforce them.

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Report this Mar. 21 2005, 3:27 pm

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If evolution isn't correct then it really doesn't matter. However what keeps me going is the fact that my government (the United States) doesn't care what I think morally. All the U.S. government cares about is the safety and well being of the people, who ultimately decide the laws and who is to enforce them.

Sorry, I don't get it.  How can that 'keep you going'?  What is wrong with a government caring about the safety and well being of the people?  Isn't that the governments mandate - to look after its own security?

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Report this Mar. 21 2005, 11:50 pm

Quote (realitycheck @ Mar. 20 2005, 2:39 pm)
I would like to know how anyone can honestly believe that all of life just happened randomly? How can anyone make any kind of choices, moral or otherwise that way? Honestly, if I thought this was all there is, it was random, Why not rob a bank and live like the devil's own daughter-in-law?

Wow face it life is random the reason why we make moral choices is covered in a field of mathematics called game theory.

The short summary of game theory is:

Social laws, humanist interactions, such as mercy are design to insure the survival of individuals and species. Act that are "Evil" are harmful to society as a whole and inspire specific individual to eliminate the offending individual, if not the group as a whole perish...

Humans like order, our brains are design to recognize pattern and will create pattern in random data even if such pattern donot exist. This allow us to spot predator in the brush and allow our species to survive, unfortunatily it blinds us to the true nature of the universe.

When system become to complex they become chaotic, responding in manner that are unpredictable. While the Universe before the big bang was perfect is Symmetry and control by a single super force, the universe of today is complex, the nature of life is one of a series of random turns reenforce by feedback of survival and reproduction.

To seek comfort in a holy book is one thing, we all like to think that some higher power is guiding and protecting us, but to think that it more correct than science is just nuts. Just look around you the same scientific reasoning that went into Evolution theory is responible for everything from the fabric in our cloths to computer you are using to post you messages to this forum.

The laws of nature arise from chance, a flipping of the dice that set this universe in motion.

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Report this Mar. 22 2005, 1:05 am

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Quote (realitycheck @ Mar. 20 2005, 2:39 pm)
I would like to know how anyone can honestly believe that all of life just happened randomly?  How can anyone make any kind of choices, moral or otherwise that way?  Honestly, if I thought this was all there is, it was random, Why not rob a bank and live like the devil's own daughter-in-law?

Wow face it life is random the reason why we make moral choices is covered in a field of mathematics called game theory.

The short summary of game theory is:

Social laws, humanist interactions, such as mercy are design to insure the survival of individuals and species. Act that are "Evil" are harmful to society as a whole and inspire specific individual to eliminate the offending individual, if not the group as a whole perish...

Humans like order, our brains are design to recognize pattern and will create pattern in random data even if such pattern donot exist. This allow us to spot predator in the brush and allow our species to survive, unfortunatily it blinds us to the true nature of the universe.

When system become to complex they become chaotic, responding in manner that are unpredictable. While the Universe before the big bang was perfect is Symmetry and control by a single super force, the universe of today is complex, the nature of life is one of a series of random turns reenforce by feedback of survival and reproduction.

To seek comfort in a holy book is one thing, we all like to think that some higher power is guiding and protecting us, but to think that it more correct than science is just nuts. Just look around you the same scientific reasoning that went into Evolution theory is responible for everything from the fabric in our cloths to computer you are using to post you messages to this forum.

The laws of nature arise from chance, a flipping of the dice that set this universe in motion.

:laugh:  :laugh:  :laugh:
I'm sorry...you were serious?????

Who cares about the whole group nowadays?  We can do what we want -- all bets are off!!!!

You've just got to do better than that!  It must take a terrific amount of faith to believe that this all came about by chance.  It's so rare to find someone who actually believes that. :laugh:

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Report this Mar. 22 2005, 1:53 am

Quote (realitycheck @ Mar. 21 2005, 10:05 pm)
Quote (lanceromega @ Mar. 21 2005, 8:50 pm)
Quote (realitycheck @ Mar. 20 2005, 2:39 pm)
I would like to know how anyone can honestly believe that all of life just happened randomly? How can anyone make any kind of choices, moral or otherwise that way? Honestly, if I thought this was all there is, it was random, Why not rob a bank and live like the devil's own daughter-in-law?

Wow face it life is random the reason why we make moral choices is covered in a field of mathematics called game theory.

The short summary of game theory is:

Social laws, humanist interactions, such as mercy are design to insure the survival of individuals and species. Act that are "Evil" are harmful to society as a whole and inspire specific individual to eliminate the offending individual, if not the group as a whole perish...

Humans like order, our brains are design to recognize pattern and will create pattern in random data even if such pattern donot exist. This allow us to spot predator in the brush and allow our species to survive, unfortunatily it blinds us to the true nature of the universe.

When system become to complex they become chaotic, responding in manner that are unpredictable. While the Universe before the big bang was perfect is Symmetry and control by a single super force, the universe of today is complex, the nature of life is one of a series of random turns reenforce by feedback of survival and reproduction.

To seek comfort in a holy book is one thing, we all like to think that some higher power is guiding and protecting us, but to think that it more correct than science is just nuts. Just look around you the same scientific reasoning that went into Evolution theory is responible for everything from the fabric in our cloths to computer you are using to post you messages to this forum.

The laws of nature arise from chance, a flipping of the dice that set this universe in motion.


I'm sorry...you were serious?????

Who cares about the whole group nowadays? We can do what we want -- all bets are off!!!!

You've just got to do better than that! It must take a terrific amount of faith to believe that this all came about by chance. It's so rare to find someone who actually believes that. :laugh:

I really do, as it stand the belief in god is what destroyed the attribute of virtue.

To the anicent greeks the gods were no better then men, with the same moral failing. The search for why men should be good was a one partaken by their greatest thinkers.

Finally the answer was telos, the fact that men are part of a community and a web of relationships. A Good man was a one that perform his function in society.

It was the rise of the christian religion that replaced this with that a good man follow the teaching of the church and obey the church officals without question.

The Enlightement brought the question what if church was wrong, what if there wasn't a god?

And the cycle started again but instead of Telos we became struck with Neitchze's Superman where virtue is an illusion and your "Who cares about the whole group nowadays? We can do what we want -- all bets are off!!!!"

Problem is that the group is stronger than the individual, even the morons in prison know to join a gang and follow the rules of the joint... Why? for survival.

Faith is not the question, I have little faith in the unseen or the unprovable, if you donot have the strength to face the nake chaos of the universe then fine, delude yourself with a concept of some higher order, cause if it exist it one of mathematical symmetry that was broken at the big bang :cool:

the reason why we here, a random quantum event that alter the structure of the vacuum, it happen once, and it will happen again. Random chance will see an infinite amount of changes. some forming universes that will spring life other that are steril. Some that will purely random and other with the appearance of order...

All bet are off, only if you donot care to play.

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Report this Mar. 22 2005, 10:22 am

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Quote (jtk2jlp @ Mar. 21 2005, 11:11 am)
If evolution isn't correct then it really doesn't matter.  However what keeps me going is the fact that my government (the United States) doesn't care what I think morally.  All the U.S. government cares about is the safety and well being of the people, who ultimately decide the laws and who is to enforce them.

Sorry, I don't get it. How can that 'keep you going'? What is wrong with a government caring about the safety and well being of the people? Isn't that the governments mandate - to look after its own security?

Wow I don't want to ruin this post with my lazy style.  Lanceromega is Epic.  But what I want to say about the government goes along with what Lancer said.

The U.S. goverment is ruled by the majority, typically through the Legistlature.  It also protects the rights of the minority, typically through the Judiciary.  And the President executes the order of the people.  

The government of the world, excluding the theocracies, work to insure a fair economy.  In the U.S. if I see my buddy has a new computer, I am going to want to get that.  But I don't go and steal it.  The government provides laws saying that they will throw me in jail.  In jail I can't hurt anybody innocent.

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