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Faster speed for travelling through space?

Loki_The_Trekster

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Report this Feb. 19 2005, 1:03 am

Here is an idea for faster space travel. I doubt that we will ever get Trek technology but if you had a space shuttle with two fuel tanks it uses one to break the pull of gravity and the other to use in space where you can super accelerate. Or instead of the Liquid Nitrogen and Liquid Oxygen mix does anyone know any other combustible gases that would work. Who thinks my idea is a good one.

AquamonkeyEG

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Report this Feb. 19 2005, 4:05 am

the space shuttle already uses 2 full tanks of fuel to escape into earth's orbit along with 2 ginormous solid fuel booster rockets.

since when was liquid nitrogen combustible? if that were the case, my school would have exploded into a smoking crater by now. they use liquid hydrogen and liquid oxygen as fuel.

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Report this Feb. 19 2005, 4:09 am

yup yup aqua, hydrogen, and oxygen, thats it, those tanks are massive, technology is amazing!!!!
amazing also that hydrogen and oxygen are so abundant and fundamental, and thats what we use to blast off into space, to immerse ourselves in so much technology....

number one, engage

AquamonkeyEG

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Report this Feb. 19 2005, 4:26 am

hahaha, i can't get over that liquid nitrogen comment! molecular nitrogen is a triple covalent bond, it is way too stable to be used as a fuel in a simple chemical reaction.

Loki_The_Trekster

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Report this Feb. 19 2005, 8:13 pm

Quote (AquamonkeyEG @ Feb. 19 2005, 1:26 am)
hahaha, i can't get over that liquid nitrogen comment! molecular nitrogen is a triple covalent bond, it is way too stable to be used as a fuel in a simple chemical reaction.

Sorry I meant hygrogen.

AquamonkeyEG

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Report this Feb. 20 2005, 7:04 am

yeah, i almost typed helium instead of hydrogen. :cool:

winkowskic

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Report this Feb. 23 2005, 5:15 pm

You all should work on your chemisty those are the first elements

AquamonkeyEG

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Report this Feb. 23 2005, 10:03 pm

no they aren't

H and He may be the first 2, but N and O are 7th and 8th

AquamonkeyEG

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Report this Feb. 23 2005, 10:03 pm

besides i'm an aerospace engineer not a chemist, i already passed my chem requirement.

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Report this Feb. 23 2005, 11:43 pm

Quote (Phayes2 @ Feb. 18 2005, 10:03 pm)
Here is an idea for faster space travel. I doubt that we will ever get Trek technology but if you had a space shuttle with two fuel tanks it uses one to break the pull of gravity and the other to use in space where you can super accelerate. Or instead of the Liquid Nitrogen and Liquid Oxygen mix does anyone know any other combustible gases that would work. Who thinks my idea is a good one.

That called a multistage rocket... Idea is as old as Goddard.


there are a host of compounds that can be used as rocket fuel, but chemical fuels are not the solution, as it stand the Stage shuttle comes to the close to the theorical maxium velocity that can be obtain by chemical reactions.

To go faster requires atomic power rockets, here is a good link to check out for potential space drive and the speeds that can be obtain:

http://www.projectrho.com/rocket/rocket3c2.html

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Report this Feb. 23 2005, 11:53 pm

there was a particle (i dont remember what kind) that was traveling so fast, that if it raced a beam of light across the galaxy it would loose by only 5 meters! I read about it in popsci.

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Report this Feb. 24 2005, 2:58 am

Quote (Tangent @ Feb. 23 2005, 8:53 pm)
there was a particle (i dont remember what kind) that was traveling so fast, that if it raced a beam of light across the galaxy it would loose by only 5 meters! I read about it in popsci.

Cosmic ray....

8472Zo

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Report this Feb. 24 2005, 3:29 am

I am still to make up my requirement in rocket science,(why, oh why did I put music above science, oh why). half a Scotvec in chemestry won't get me to the top of the field methinks. Won't prevent me from taking an interest in molecular science though. Phayes's idea seems a litle old to me, the shuttles already have several fuel tanks for different stages of the launch. How does this idea differ from current design thinking?

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Report this Feb. 24 2005, 3:49 am

Quote (8472Zo @ Feb. 24 2005, 12:29 am)
I am still to make up my requirement in rocket science,(why, oh why did I put music above science, oh why). half a Scotvec in chemestry won't get me to the top of the field methinks. Won't prevent me from taking an interest in molecular science though. Phayes's idea seems a litle old to me, the shuttles already have several fuel tanks for different stages of the launch. How does this idea differ from current design thinking?

it doesn't he basically reintroducting multistage rocket.

As is stands chemical fuel will give you a specific Delta Vee, or change in velocity, even the best fuel will do no better than what we use now as rocket fuel, so the only way around it is to carry more fuel and dumping the empty tanks to improve the fuel to payload ratio.

That why the moon rocket used multiple stages.

8472Zo

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Report this Feb. 24 2005, 5:59 am

Quote (Phayes2 @ Feb. 19 2005, 6:03 am)
Here is an idea for faster space travel. I doubt that we will ever get Trek technology but if you had a space shuttle with two fuel tanks it uses one to break the pull of gravity and the other to use in space where you can super accelerate. Or instead of the Liquid Nitrogen and Liquid Oxygen mix does anyone know any other combustible gases that would work. Who thinks my idea is a good one.

What about XENON gas or is it not combustible ENOUGH?
You may find that when compunded xenon gas can become very combustible indeed.

More information about the positive attribute of xenon can be found here:
http://pearl1.lanl.gov/periodic/elements/54.html
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