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Are we ready for an alien attack now?

lanceromega

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Report this Jan. 06 2005, 5:41 am

Quote (AquamonkeyEG @ Jan. 05 2005, 11:01 pm)
ur also assuming that they aliens would even recognise us as life at all or vice versa. this ties into the biowarfare. how could they possibly concieve of a bioweapon if their species is so different from ours that they don't even recognise the life on this planet.

This is red Herring, since the original posting said could we fend off an alien invasion, it would have to be assume the the Aliens would Known that we are alive.

Better yet how could they ignore the activity in the various electromagnetic spetrum coming from this planet.  The host of Radio, micro wave traffic would indicate an Intelligent source.

How the aliens Biology could be totally different, using some other molecules for carrying Genetic information or be based on mirror protein.

biowarfare could be rule out, since it would take too long and could be countered. In the long run there are just too many way that an advance spacefaring culture could employ to wipe out the human race from space.

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Report this Jan. 06 2005, 10:57 am

Ok, but what if the situation was reversed?No wait, I'm going off topic. But, still, I think there are possibilities... We could maybe use an laser, or an ECM or whatever it is called.

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Report this Jan. 06 2005, 3:57 pm

Quote (Boksi @ Jan. 06 2005, 7:57 am)
Ok, but what if the situation was reversed?No wait, I'm going off topic. But, still, I think there are possibilities... We could maybe use an laser, or an ECM or whatever it is called.

Okay since we are talking about Current technology which would be available to military the choice of Direct Energy weapons are limited.

High energy lasers that are currently deploy are fairly low power affairs, running anywhere from 50 KW to 5MW.

Presently we have two systems, a Land base tactical anti missile laser with a range of up to 5 KM and a fairly high fire rate of around 60 shots per minutes... capable enought to stop a short range tactical missiles or barrage of Mortar rounds

An air base System has a higher range of around 100 KM.

Both system would have problem reaching a target in orbit around the earth, and were design to punch holes in fairly thin skin missiles.

EMP ( not ECM) weapons, there are several kind, the First is a microwave laser or Maser, and suffer from the same problem as the laser, fairly short range barely up to 50 KM .

A second kind is basically a bomb that can provide a Electromagnetic burst over an area of several Kilometer suffer from the fact that you need to deliver the weapon into obrit to be effective.

Also A starship or space craft system would be heavily shielded or may even deploy a magnetic shield to protect against cosmic ray and solar flare, making it harden against EMP type attack.

Our Best bet are antisatellite missiles. These missiles are design to be launch either from a jet fighter ( for low obrit objects) or from a whitestone rocket ( for higher obrit satellites). Both missiles attempt to destroy their target by ramming into them. How effect against a alien space craft is in question since both missiles are design to target fairly non mobile satellites which are restrict to maintaining fix obrits.

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Report this Jan. 06 2005, 8:50 pm

Quote (AquamonkeyEG @ Jan. 05 2005, 11:01 pm)
ur also assuming that they aliens would even recognise us as life at all or vice versa. this ties into the biowarfare. how could they possibly concieve of a bioweapon if their species is so different from ours that they don't even recognise the life on this planet.

Who the hell cares? If I made a topic about if Spiderman can beat up Batman, it would be stupid of someone to say "they wouldn't fight in the first place because they're both good guys" because the topic itself already assumes that they're going to fight in the first place.

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Report this Jan. 06 2005, 9:55 pm

technically batman isn't exactly a 'good guy', he's more like the 'bad cop'

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Report this Jan. 06 2005, 10:06 pm

Batman is in the Justice League. You must be a good guy to get into the Justice League. Therefore Batman is a good guy.

AquamonkeyEG

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Report this Jan. 06 2005, 10:27 pm

an older show clearly stated that batman never joined the justice league, even far into the future.

i don't know about justice league unlimited, but in the old 1 he only had a loose association to it (other than lending them his space station). besides WTF was batman doing with that spacestation anyways?



...all that rambling aside, batman is still the 'bad cop' especially when they need to get info out of some1 and with batman it's not an act.

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Report this Jan. 07 2005, 1:21 am

This is the nuttiest thread I have ever read on any internet message board.  

In response to the form's question, the answer is absolutly not.  I have been in the US military for a long time.  A technological edge is a huge advantage.  Now I am not saying training and organization has nothing to do with it.  Because is the US military was to have to fight the war in Iraq over again excpet we swapped positions and technology I would put my money on the US each and every day of the week.  Training, motivation, and organization mean a lot.  However they mean realtivly nothing when the technological edge is huge.  

For a species to have mastered interstellar travel they would have a technology far beyond our best.  We would not stand a chance against such a foe.  Films like ID4 are insane.  Not to menation the entire plan was completely farfetched.  You think you can land a 60year old craft on the mother ship of an invading army.  Yeah that would happen. That would be like some terrorist group trying to take out a US Carrier by attempting to sneak a team aboard by landing a Corsair on the flight deck.  I think they would notice.

We would be obliterated without even a chance to defend ourselves against a species with interstellar travel.  We would be like cave men with clubs attempting to fight the modern US military.  The only enemy deaths would likely only result from fratracide.

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Report this Jan. 07 2005, 1:32 am

Quote (lanceromega @ Jan. 06 2005, 12:57 pm)
Quote (Boksi @ Jan. 06 2005, 7:57 am)
Ok, but what if the situation was reversed?No wait, I'm going off topic. But, still, I think there are possibilities... We could maybe use an laser, or an ECM or whatever it is called.

Okay since we are talking about Current technology which would be available to military the choice of Direct Energy weapons are limited.

High energy lasers that are currently deploy are fairly low power affairs, running anywhere from 50 KW to 5MW.

Presently we have two systems, a Land base tactical anti missile laser with a range of up to 5 KM and a fairly high fire rate of around 60 shots per minutes... capable enought to stop a short range tactical missiles or barrage of Mortar rounds

An air base System has a higher range of around 100 KM.

Both system would have problem reaching a target in orbit around the earth, and were design to punch holes in fairly thin skin missiles.

EMP ( not ECM) weapons, there are several kind, the First is a microwave laser or Maser, and suffer from the same problem as the laser, fairly short range barely up to 50 KM .

A second kind is basically a bomb that can provide a Electromagnetic burst over an area of several Kilometer suffer from the fact that you need to deliver the weapon into obrit to be effective.

Also A starship or space craft system would be heavily shielded or may even deploy a magnetic shield to protect against cosmic ray and solar flare, making it harden against EMP type attack.

Our Best bet are antisatellite missiles. These missiles are design to be launch either from a jet fighter ( for low obrit objects) or from a whitestone rocket ( for higher obrit satellites). Both missiles attempt to destroy their target by ramming into them. How effect against a alien space craft is in question since both missiles are design to target fairly non mobile satellites which are restrict to maintaining fix obrits.

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Sorry for the double post here.  But this is a direct response to this thread.  I have been in the US Navy for a while and a can attest to the fact that we have nothing even close to what you are describing in any kind of practical weapon.  

I am sure those things exist and expermentation is likley being done on such weapons.  Those folks down at Dalgrehn, VA at the Naval Weapons Research Center. are always thinking up loads of new things some of which work out some of which do not.

In terms of anything even remotly close to this is the rail-gun.  That is a real weapon the Navy has been testing and developing for years.  Unlike Eraser the movie they are not small and portable.  However, rail-gun weapons are due to be placed on the DDX which is the next generation of Destroyer which is in the design phase.

As for lasers intercepting missiles we really don't do that just yet.  Again the technology exists, but it is not practically used yet.  Our defense against incoming missiles both on land and for surface naval vessels is still to intercept it with another missile either fired from an aircraft, a surface vessel, or some land platform.  Failing that the Navy for ships defense still uses that last defense of the CWIS (Close in Weapon System)  which is basically nothing more than a mini-gun that puts up a virtual wall of depleted uranium rounds along the projected vector of the incoming missile.

The Navy at least employs no directed energy weapons that I have ever even heard of. Again there is always research into these areas, but we use no such weapons right now.

Your anti-satellite stuff is right on the money though. We do have and enploy such weapons. However, that is the province of the USAF and not the Navy so I cannot speak on an educated level about that.

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Report this Jan. 07 2005, 3:37 am

Quote (Ellessar @ Jan. 06 2005, 10:32 pm)
Quote (lanceromega @ Jan. 06 2005, 12:57 pm)
[quote=Boksi,Jan. 06 2005, 7:57 am]Ok, but what if the situation was reversed?No wait, I'm going off topic. But, still, I think there are possibilities... We could maybe use an laser, or an ECM or whatever it is called.

Okay since we are talking about Current technology which would be available to military the choice of Direct Energy weapons are limited.

High energy lasers that are currently deploy are fairly low power affairs, running anywhere from 50 KW to 5MW.

Presently we have two systems, a Land base tactical anti missile laser with a range of up to 5 KM and a fairly high fire rate of around 60 shots per minutes... capable enought to stop a short range tactical missiles or barrage of Mortar rounds

An air base System has a higher range of around 100 KM.

Both system would have problem reaching a target in orbit around the earth, and were design to punch holes in fairly thin skin missiles.

EMP ( not ECM) weapons, there are several kind, the First is a microwave laser or Maser, and suffer from the same problem as the laser, fairly short range barely up to 50 KM .

A second kind is basically a bomb that can provide a Electromagnetic burst over an area of several Kilometer suffer from the fact that you need to deliver the weapon into obrit to be effective.

Also A starship or space craft system would be heavily shielded or may even deploy a magnetic shield to protect against cosmic ray and solar flare, making it harden against EMP type attack.

Our Best bet are antisatellite missiles. These missiles are design to be launch either from a jet fighter ( for low obrit objects) or from a whitestone rocket ( for higher obrit satellites). Both missiles attempt to destroy their target by ramming into them. How effect against a alien space craft is in question since both missiles are design to target fairly non mobile satellites which are restrict to maintaining fix obrits.

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