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'structural integrity is failing'

ilikejanewayalltheway

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Report this Nov. 06 2004, 4:54 am

space is a vacuum. theres no atoms or forces in space that can cause a ship to breakup if travelling at extremely fast speeds..what causes a ship to lose integrity is friction. the idea of falling structural integrity, therefore, is invalid in this context, unless theres a scientific explanation that can explain this?

lcarsdata

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Report this Nov. 06 2004, 6:48 am

I always thought that 'loosing structual integrety' or 'failing structual integrity' meant that their ship had been weakened by a man made force or spacial annomialy eg. asteroids, and their hulls structual integrety was falling because the air inside the ship was trying to escape into the vacumme by using the special gap. PLease tell me if this is not the case.

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Report this Nov. 06 2004, 7:21 am

Quote (startrekfan1982 @ Nov. 06 2004, 1:54 am)
space is a vacuum. theres no atoms or forces in space that can cause a ship to breakup if travelling at extremely fast speeds..what causes a ship to lose integrity is friction. the idea of falling structural integrity, therefore, is invalid in this context, unless theres a scientific explanation that can explain this?

To move a ship requires you to accelerate it, force is related to acceleration by a simple formula :

F=MA F force, M mass of the object being accelerated, A Acceleration.

To accelerate a ship to relativitic velocity ( enterprise has a standard sublight speed of 25% speed of light) in any decent period of time would require acceleration of 1000's of G ( earth gravity) this would create a force that could easily crush the enterprise and her crew, that is why inertial dampers and intergy field is needed to keep the enterprise together.

Warp must also generate a force on the ship, since Hi warp can also cause structural failure.

AquamonkeyEG

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Report this Nov. 06 2004, 4:16 pm

also those gravitational eddies and other sorts of phenomena like "magna-scopic storms" and such that cause stresses and strains against the ship's superstructer.

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Report this Nov. 08 2004, 3:01 am

Quote (lanceromega @ Nov. 06 2004, 4:21 am)
Quote (startrekfan1982 @ Nov. 06 2004, 1:54 am)
space is a vacuum. theres no atoms or forces in space that can cause a ship to breakup if travelling at extremely fast speeds..what causes a ship to lose integrity is friction. the idea of falling structural integrity, therefore, is invalid in this context, unless theres a scientific explanation that can explain this?

To move a ship requires you to accelerate it, force is related to acceleration by a simple formula :

F=MA F force, M mass of the object being accelerated, A Acceleration.

To accelerate a ship to relativitic velocity ( enterprise has a standard sublight speed of 25% speed of light) in any decent period of time would require acceleration of 1000's of G ( earth gravity) this would create a force that could easily  crush the enterprise and her crew, that is why inertial dampers and intergy field is needed to keep the enterprise together.

Warp must also generate a force on the ship, since Hi warp can also cause structural failure.

Dawm, YOUR GOOD! What he said!!!! Yes, you have enertial forces, gravitational pulls, and all that good stuff.
A ship thats built for space will be a lot lighter than a ship built for the ocean. Hull can be a lot thinner, shape really doesn't matter, except for convenience of placing ships components. Now, with that said, you have to deal with the stresses of space travel.
Alot of the metals we have now......could not stand up to warp forces and being cold. The metals we make now, hold up good to our atmosphere.........not the freezing temp. of outterspace. Composites work well, and they're light. The Alloys we have are good. we have the technology to sput arount our solarsystem.......it'll be awhile before we go to the others. we gotta crawl before we can walk............

fobicodam

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Report this Nov. 08 2004, 8:49 am

add this: As the space is vacumm the internal pressure push the ship estructure outside, you need to keep your ship together or the low pressure can blow the windows or your head..

AquamonkeyEG

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Report this Nov. 08 2004, 11:06 am

the vacuum thing isn't all that important to worry about. the lunar lander has a hull a few sheets thick of aluminum foil (or something similar). in any case it's not very strong because it doesn't have to be. the only thing they had to worry about was getting hit by space debri on something that small and traveling that slow.

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Report this Nov. 10 2004, 3:46 pm

Any object that has mass, which is all objects, have inertia (resistance to change in motion) whether there is gravity present or not.  When you go that fast in that little amount of time with a thing that massive with that much inertia, it creates an incredible amount of stress on the ship.

AquamonkeyEG

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Report this Nov. 11 2004, 2:07 pm

thats the point of inertial dampeners, structural integrity, and the subspace field coil in the impulse drive (decreases the effective mass of the ship)

Lyranfan

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Report this Nov. 19 2004, 2:30 pm

I like to think of it this way.  The ship is not one solid piece - it is a bunch of pieces connected together.

The engines want to travel at warp speed and the rest of the ship needs to hang on.  Structual integrity is enhanced by some force - mechanical and/or energy based - to keep things together.

Think of the trains you see kids play with at the toy store - the ones with a magnet in the front and back to connect one car to the next.  The magnet is strong enough to keep the trains together at slow speeds.  Put a kid on a sugar high at the engine and he leaves the rest of the train behind if he doesn't help the whole of it along.

Vash066

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Report this Nov. 21 2004, 5:30 pm

actually i always thought about it more like they wrapped the ship in a net or something to help hold it together...kinda like a "engery" cast if you will

Kirk060

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Report this Nov. 22 2004, 5:16 pm

there is a structual integrity field made by the diflector dish that helps keep the ship together.

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