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Would it ever be possible??

TGBug

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Report this Oct. 18 2004, 8:40 am

Do you think that it would ever be possible for us to create...

(a) holodecks
(b) warp drive
© replicators
(d) transporters?

I don't know myself but I think it would be cool to be able to.
~Bug~

AquamonkeyEG

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Report this Oct. 18 2004, 12:12 pm

sure y not?

Andross

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Report this Oct. 18 2004, 11:10 pm

I hope our holodecks aren't the deathtraps we see in Star Trek

mindflayerz

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Report this Oct. 19 2004, 5:22 am

LOL, holodecks are deathtraps, couldnt have worded it better my self :P, sure why not, give or take another 300-400 years of evoloution.

lanceromega

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Report this Oct. 19 2004, 5:41 am

Quote (Andross @ Oct. 18 2004, 8:10 pm)
I hope our holodecks aren't the deathtraps we see in Star Trek

there only a death trap cause starfleet personal a) either shut off the safeties b) enter it without first performing a diagnosic to insure it working properily c) use it while he ship is engage in hazards mission, allow some external factor to introduce a bug into the system


I would think removing the safety over ride and a good weekly prevent maintaince routine couple with a "no use while ship is traveling thru ion storm " rule would limited the number of killed and mained to a level matching that of a roller coaster in amusement park. :) :p :laugh:

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Report this Oct. 19 2004, 7:33 pm

What is the fun with out the risk.  I mean if you were doing a racing simulation, what would be the fun in knowing that no matter how recklessly you drive, you will walk away from it without a scratch.  Yeah it would be fun for a few thrills, but not sense of reality.

And if you decided to use it as a training tool for the police or military they would be a little more reckless than in a real ife situation, and also once they were in a real life situation, they might freeze up when the reality that this could hurt and/or kill me sinks in.

But I do agree that holodecks would be awesome.

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Report this Oct. 20 2004, 2:30 am

Quote (Andross @ Oct. 18 2004, 8:10 pm)
I hope our holodecks aren't the deathtraps we see in Star Trek

lol, your right....
i'd rather see the holoshed from Futurama...where they come out and storm the ship!!!

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Report this Oct. 20 2004, 12:35 pm

lol
warpdrive is said to be possible, jus we dont have the tech to do it jus yet...
replicators and transporters i wudnt trust... and holodecks would be absoulty fantastic! lol :)

Dan

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Report this Oct. 21 2004, 12:16 am

Quote (Vash066 @ Oct. 19 2004, 3:30 am)
i'd rather see the holoshed from Futurama...where they come out and storm the ship!!!

Oh, I'd forgotten about Futurama.  The very first episode where he's trying to come to terms with being a thousand years in the future was funny enough with the Nixon and Star Wars references.  But when he got in line to walk into that booth on the street, I nearly passed out from laughter.  I'd always wondered what went on inside an Eminiar 7 suicide booth.  Would you like Quick, or Slow & Painful?  Bring it on.

--I.V.Holtzman

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Report this Oct. 21 2004, 5:47 pm

Quote (trekkigirlbug @ Oct. 18 2004, 2:40 pm)
Do you think that it would ever be possible for us to create...

(a) holodecks
(b) warp drive
) replicators
(d) transporters?

I don't know myself but I think it would be cool to be able to.
~Bug~

Only Holodecks. For the rets we just don't have any proof that we can make it possible.

Locut0s

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Report this Oct. 22 2004, 1:09 am

Quote (trekkigirlbug @ Oct. 18 2004, 5:40 am)
Do you think that it would ever be possible for us to create...

(a) holodecks
(b) warp drive
) replicators
(d) transporters?

I don't know myself but I think it would be cool to be able to.
~Bug~

(a) Holodecks

The problem here is not so much the hologram aspect of them as the fact that in Star trek you can interact with the characters. I believe they explained this somewhere by saying that they use a mixture of replicator technology, to create objects you can feel, and holographic technology, to essentially map a real image onto the replicated shape. But this then relies on replicators

(b) warp drive

While this is technically not physically impossible the limitations that known physics currently put on warp drive make it next to impossible. The warping of space is synonymous with the presences mater and or energy. In order to warp space enough to bring two distant points together you need a LOT of matter/energy in a small volume, in fact so much that it quickly just gets ridiculous. Even large black holes don't warp space enough to allow the kind of travel seen in ST. Then of course there is the problem of controlling the warping of space and not having the warping of space effect you inside the ship, this requires some rather exotic principals of physics, eg dark energy. There is the prospect of creating worm holes, but again this relies on dark energy and some insanely large estimates on the amount of energy required. By large amount read many many many times the amount our sun outputs.

) and (d) Both of these are next to impossible due to the uncertainty principal which states that it is physically impossible to know any one aspect of a particle on the quantum scale to a high degree of precision without disturbing other aspects of the particle. So its not possible to know exactly the position and speed of an electron at the same time. You can know one or the other precisely but not both. But for transporters and replicators you are going to want to know both with quite a lot of precision or you'll end up with a random mess at the other end. There is the idea of using nanotechnology to build these objects but even this is rather iffy in my mind, even several hundred years from now.

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Report this Oct. 24 2004, 1:48 am

Quote (Locut0s @ Oct. 21 2004, 10:09 pm)
(a) Holodecks

The problem here is not so much the hologram aspect of them as the fact that in Star trek you can interact with the characters. I believe they explained this somewhere by saying that they use a mixture of replicator technology, to create objects you can feel, and holographic technology, to essentially map a real image onto the replicated shape. But this then relies on replicators

The holodecks use force fields to give photonic objects solidity.  I think that the replicators work on a principle similar to that of the transporters.  They convert energy into particular molecular structures.

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Report this Oct. 24 2004, 8:14 am

Quote (buchworm @ Oct. 23 2004, 10:48 pm)
Quote (Locut0s @ Oct. 21 2004, 10:09 pm)
(a) Holodecks

The problem here is not so much the hologram aspect of them as the fact that in Star trek you can interact with the characters. I believe they explained this somewhere by saying that they use a mixture of replicator technology, to create objects you can feel, and holographic technology, to essentially map a real image onto the replicated shape. But this then relies on replicators

The holodecks use force fields to give photonic objects solidity. I think that the replicators work on a principle similar to that of the transporters. They convert energy into particular molecular structures.

Replicator  rearrange atoms not convert energy to matter. Look at the Star trek database...


replicator
Episode: TNG 165 - Sins of the Father


Devices derived from transporter technology to dematerialize matter and then reconstitute it in another form.
Replicators, in use since the early 24th century, are most commonly used as food dispensers aboard Federation starships. The menu is only limited by the programming, as opposed to the days of carrying natural or reconstituted foodstuffs with delivery by special turbolifts or transporters.

Generally replicated food and "natural" food taste the same, though some people claim to be able to detect a difference.  For instance, Captain Picard kept real caviar stored for special occasions since he felt replicated caviar was inferior to the real thing.

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Report this Oct. 25 2004, 8:32 am

Would we be able to create holodecks, warp drive, replicators & transporters?  I think so.  As an example you need to look at the concept of a "raygun".  Science fiction in the 1930's featured the concept of a "raygun" in novels and old films such as "Buck Rogers" & "Flash Gordon".  By the early 1960's scientist had developed the technology to produce a "laser" & in our present time this simple device can be found in CD/DVD players, in the operating room as laser scalpels and even targeting sights for rifles & pistols.

What's interesting about Science Fiction is the capacity of humankind to dream, to speculate, to stretch the boundaries of imagination. The original Star Trek series had some innovative concepts that are now a reality.  Medical diagnostic sensors, hand-held communicators, tricorders & artificially intelligent computers are common devices created by kids who watched the show in the 1960's!

Never underestimate the power of imagination; it's just a matter of time (and scientific research) before the technology catches up.

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Report this Oct. 25 2004, 5:10 pm

luweewe: The end result will probably be something completely different from wrap drive, transporters, and replicators, though not necessarily any less spectacular. If history has taught is anything it's that we can indeed accomplish things that seemed impossible before, but what those things will be have been almost impossible to predict. Also we are now at a point in history where for once we have a working physical/mathematical model of the universe. In the past we could only make statements like "that sounds impossible" now we can say with more assuredness if something is indeed impossible. That doesn't mean further breakthroughs in physics won't some day make the impossible possible but it does make it seem much much less likely.

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