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Borg Assimilation

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Report this Sep. 23 2004, 3:09 pm

Having just seen "Regeneration" I was wondering how the borg drones can assimilate people and then the nanoprobes multiply so that the people can assimilate again.

Also, the newly assimilated ship increased in mass by 3%, where did this extra material come from?

and finally, how with this episode does no-one recognise the borg when the Enterprise-D first meet them?

bushido001

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Report this Sep. 23 2004, 5:03 pm

My best guess is the borg and their technology rely heavily upon replicators.

The whole things with that episode of Enterprise has been debated a lot in its respective forum...perhaps you can find your answer there.

Vold

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Report this Sep. 23 2004, 6:12 pm

Like most nanotechnology.

The nanites uses the atoms/molecules in the very air to create things.

The building blocks are all around us, its a matter of finding a way to use it.

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Report this Sep. 23 2004, 7:59 pm

Good questions DaRomulanStarEmpire. The conservation of mass law states that matter can neither be created nor detroyed. Matter can be converted to energy and presumably the reverse is true as well ( this is the basis for startrek replicators which create objects ( matter) from energy). However, a ship traveling in the void of space would not be able to increase the amount of  matter on board under normal circumstances. Even with replicators in the Trek world they could not increase their mass in the void of space. They could create matter but they would have to use enourmous amounts of energy to produce even a small amount of matter ( perhaps some nuclear physicist out there could give the exact amounts but the amount of energy released in the Hiroshima bomb was the result of the conversion of only a miniscule amount of matter into energy). That energy has to come from somewhere, and their source of energy always seems to be antimatter/ matter reactions. You would have to turn a given amount of antimatter/ matter into energy which you would then use in your replicator to produce the object/matter that you needed. The net result would be no increase in total mass at all, even if the whole process were 100% efficient which it never could be. Therfor any replicator use on a vessel in space would actually result in a net loss of mass as some of the energy from the antimatter/matter reaction is lost in space.  All that being said, while the amount of matter in the ship cannot increase, its mass actually can if it speeds up. Einsteins theory of relativety, as I understand it predicts that as an object speeds up its mass actually increases. The effect is negligible at speeds we are used to traveling, but when you get to near light speeds the effect becomes dramatic. I don't really think this is what they were referring to as the cause of the ship's increase in mass though. They were implying that the Borg had actually manufactured it, and without an enormous input of external energy or a smaller amount of matter this just isn't possible. There are some laws even the Borg can't break.

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Report this Sep. 23 2004, 8:03 pm

Quote (jimmyneutron @ Sep. 23 2004, 4:59 pm)
They were implying that the Borg had actually manufactured it, and without an enormous input of external energy or a smaller amount of matter this just isn't possible. There are some laws even the Borg can't break.


true, sort of even though i do not know what you just said, lol

But do remember, the Borg have at least 800 years of experiance.

Assimilating around 8471 species. by the time ST:FC

Assimilation is the most effective way of R&D.

they must have somehow found a way to do things we considered "unachievable" yet.

:)

"great things come in small packages."

AquamonkeyEG

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Report this Sep. 23 2004, 10:06 pm

yet another person who insists the mass of an object increases as it apporaches luminal velocity!!! it gains energy, u said it urself matter doesn't just magically appear.

maybe they flew into an asteroid field or nebula or captured some energized particles from a solar flare

jimmyneutron

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Report this Sep. 23 2004, 10:22 pm

Quote (AquamonkeyEG @ Sep. 23 2004, 10:06 pm)
yet another person who insists the mass of an object increases as it apporaches luminal velocity!!! it gains energy, u said it urself matter doesn't just magically appear.

maybe they flew into an asteroid field or nebula or captured some energized particles from a solar flare

I am not a physicist, and if you are I will defer to your more expert oppinion. I should have more correctly stated that an objects inertial mass increases at it approaches the speed of light. PLease see this link for a better explanation than I could ever give. Relativity

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Report this Sep. 23 2004, 11:36 pm

when computing these things at reletavistic velocities it really doesn't matter where you put the "surplus energy". you can either add it to the mass or the energy of the object, its just that many people are confused in thinking that the object suddenly becomes more massive without knowing what is really happening.

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Report this Sep. 24 2004, 12:48 am

Quote (AquamonkeyEG @ Sep. 23 2004, 8:36 pm)
when computing these things at reletavistic velocities it really doesn't matter where you put the "surplus energy". you can either add it to the mass or the energy of the object, its just that many people are confused in thinking that the object suddenly becomes more massive without knowing what is really happening.

The problem is you are confusing the term mass with matter.
in the case of relativitic gaining of mass, most physicist uses the term Mass shell.

Mass shell is the mass of a system due to energy of matter plus kinetic energy and Potential energy.

In the case of the mass of an object is actually the mass effect of the total energy of the system.

so the more energy that is pump into a system, in this case by increasing the velocity of an obect, you are increasing the kinetic energy and increasing the inertial effect...

AquamonkeyEG

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Report this Sep. 24 2004, 10:53 am

i know it doesn't gain more matter, that is wat i was trying to get at. i guess i wasn't very clear on wat the misconception was

TheBorgz

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Report this Sep. 24 2004, 6:41 pm

Quite simple the nanites take control of living cells and thus  with the cytoplasm they can create anything they want to.

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Report this Sep. 27 2004, 10:14 am

The nanites have microreplicators built into them. They very quickly multiply and form bits of metal and internal robotics that pierce through the skin, which in turn replicate more and more until they're covered in 'borg bits'.
The same must be true of their ships, too.

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TheBorgz

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Report this Sep. 27 2004, 11:11 am

And about regeneration isnt that episode on ST:Enterprise
(you know that this series is placed before the enterprise D even the A)

Vold

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Report this Sep. 27 2004, 11:14 am

Quote (TheBorgz @ Sep. 27 2004, 8:11 am)
And about regeneration isnt that episode on ST:Enterprise
(you know that this series is placed before the enterprise D even the A)

ya, we know that, well at least i do

what about it?

:)

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Report this Sep. 27 2004, 11:20 am

the topic starter has written why dont the enterprise NX crew not know who the borg are even though the enterprise D has encountered them.

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