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lanceromega

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Report this Oct. 23 2004, 3:23 pm

Quote (AncientxFreako @ Oct. 23 2004, 6:11 am)
Well, you're all making plenty of sense to me. (notwithstanding the wise-cracks from the pizza guy there)  LancerOmega, obviously it seems that perhaps mechs would not dominate a battlefield, but do you think they would have a usefullness in a war in  any capacity?  You seem to be a student of the history of war as well as science and physics.  I value your opinions.

Mechs remain me of the war elephant, when introduced against inexperience troops or one never exposed to them they would have a Major effect.

We saw this with Hannibal's early battles against the Roman, but the Romans learned Quickly, when Roman legions met the armies of Alexander's Successors ( the Generals that divided up Alexander the Great empire upon his death), they easily routed them.

Alexander the great managed to route an Indian army with War elephant, he may have learn how to handle such creature from eyptians merc's that fought in his armies, but War Elephants effect against well trained infantry seem to be little to none and in some cases inflicted more causalities on their own troops than those of the Enemies.

Mechs Could only work if the Forces facing them have no long range guided Weapons that could disable or destroy them before the Mech own weapons can get into range. Squad carried anti tank missiles can easily hit tanks from a range of 5 miles. The man portable Jalevin can hit a tank at 2500 Meters...

Vehicle mounted antitank missile can easily hit targets as far a 8KM...

At best Mech can be used in rought terrian where tracked or wheeled vehicles could not managed, against lightly armed irregulars, but even this function would be better performed by Helicopter attack craft.

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Report this Oct. 24 2004, 12:39 am

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Now this is where mechs have a future. I wish Comedy Central still showed the BattleBots tournaments, and I hope we eventually see the sport evolve to something like what you describe.


Battlebots is not a sport, it's an event but not a sport.

AncientxFreako

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Report this Oct. 25 2004, 12:07 pm

Perhaps a massively armored mech would be the best way to fight an urban war, where ranges of 8km or even 2500 meters are not such a great concern?
Add in the laser ams to deal with hand-held anti-tank weapons, and maybe there is a use for a mech.  I bet some of the soldiers in iraq might agree.  Why send in troops to get sniped at from who knows where when you could send in  1 bullet-proof machine to do the job?  Maybe an urban mech doesn't have to be all that big, just big enough to be bullet/grenade proof but still  small enough to hide between buildings.

Recently I've spoken to a few other battletech fans and have been told that our modern tanks weigh upwards of 84 tons anyway. Lower profile than a mech would have, but not by much. The nazi's had a tank that weighed over 190 tons but it never made it to the battlefield. It looked like it was about 15 feet high, about half the height of a battlemech. If gyro technology could be perfected, then perhaps a low-profile mech could be constructed which could handle terrain that a tank could not? That might start a trend towards mechs, and as mechs became more common, they might get bigger and more advanced to compete with the previous ones.

Maybe i'm on the wrong "track" here. (excuse the pun) Perhaps the major problem with the idea of a mech is that the legs could be so easily taken out. A tank's tracks are probably more difficult to damage than a mech's legs would be.

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Report this Oct. 25 2004, 3:46 pm

Quote (AncientxFreako @ Oct. 25 2004, 9:07 am)
Perhaps a massively armored mech would be the best way to fight an urban war, where ranges of 8km or even 2500 meters are not such a great concern?
Add in the laser ams to deal with hand-held anti-tank weapons, and maybe there is a use for a mech.  I bet some of the soldiers in iraq might agree.  Why send in troops to get sniped at from who knows where when you could send in  1 bullet-proof machine to do the job?  Maybe an urban mech doesn't have to be all that big, just big enough to be bullet/grenade proof but still  small enough to hide between buildings.

Recently I've spoken to a few other battletech fans and have been told that our modern tanks weigh upwards of 84 tons anyway. Lower profile than a mech would have, but not by much. The nazi's had a tank that weighed over 190 tons but it never made it to the battlefield. It looked like it was about 15 feet high, about half the height of a battlemech. If gyro technology could be perfected, then perhaps a low-profile mech could be constructed which could handle terrain that a tank could not? That might start a trend towards mechs, and as mechs became more common, they might get bigger and more advanced to compete with the previous ones.

Maybe i'm on the wrong "track" here. (excuse the pun) Perhaps the major problem with the idea of a mech is that the legs could be so easily taken out. A tank's tracks are probably more difficult to damage than a mech's legs would be.

The problem is not the weight, it the Profile. A mech would tower over the battle field and easily be spotted. Even in an urban enivorment, infantry can easily find cover and hiding spots, allowing them to set ambushes with anti armor weapons.

This also plaque tanks, Urban settings is a kill zone for anti armor forces, Tanks, APC and mech would find this a potential death trap. What the use of hidding behind a building when your foes can hide in them or even in the sewer beneath your feet.

Mech would be bullet proof but against host of anti armor technology it easily be taken down by a single man armed with a anti tank rocket launcher or with a laser illuminator to allow Antiarmor missiles or weapon from distant launcher to target and strike the mech.

As it stand modern armor is facing the same problem. Armor cannot defend itself from Armor killer helicopters and attack crafts. Medium range antitank weapon can be mounted on hi speed platform like Hummvee and can strike from cover. Rocket fired or artillery fired tank burster sub muntions that can filled the sky over a battlefield with scores of hovering smart bomblets that can target heat sources like tanks and other vehicles. Even a infantry squad carries at least one short range anti armor launcher like the Jalvin that allows a infantry unit to be a hazard to armor unit.

The major success of are force in Iraq was that the Regular Iraq units were taken out of the battle early, either thru air or Bribes, and we faced a host of irregulars armed with outdated light antitank weapons. Even when Regular force engaged in combat they where targeted by Helicopter gunships that soften them for the later armor units...

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Report this Oct. 25 2004, 11:40 pm

Actually, weight would be a huge problem for mechs. A mech would not be able to operate well in a city since itll probably crush the ground and fall into the sewers especially since all of its weight is distributed over the small areas of their feet. Maybe small mechs would work in an urban war.

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Report this Oct. 26 2004, 12:12 am

Quote (Giantevilhead @ Oct. 25 2004, 8:40 pm)
Actually, weight would be a huge problem for mechs. A mech would not be able to operate well in a city since itll probably crush the ground and fall into the sewers especially since all of its weight is distributed over the small areas of their feet. Maybe small mechs would work in an urban war.

well weight would be in that case. lol, but was trying to point out that the mech hi profiles that really dooms it...

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