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X WING vs DELTA FLYER

Commodore_64

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Report this Aug. 11 2004, 3:49 pm

How about a smaller class of ship such as the famous X Wing vs a Star Trek ship of the same size/class?

I used Delta Flyer in the title but it does not have to be a Delta, it could be any ship of your chioce.

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Report this Aug. 11 2004, 6:23 pm

any 24th century ST shuttles can handle any SW fighters

SW fighters are weak in both hull & shields, even some of the empire's fighters got no shields.

Shields sounds like a new thing to them, even in the game KOTOR, they themselves state that their shields are useless.

if a couple of simple lasers can take them out, Phasers can cut them like "a Hot knife through butter"
This & not to mentioned Photon Torps from the Delta Flyer can deal with it in 1 shot.

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Report this Aug. 11 2004, 6:30 pm

1. KOTOR takes place thousands of years before ANH.

2. The X-wing is quite meneuverable and speedy.

3. Its own proton torps would have a field day with the Delta Flyer.

4. X-wing's laser canons are lower KT levels, with the proton torps being either higher KT or low low MT., what are the Flyer's phasers and torps?

EDIT: Vold, may I remind you that Slave I showed more firpower then even a Federation starship, though it is a patrol craft, it is still a large fighter.

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Report this Aug. 11 2004, 6:39 pm

If i'm not mistaken, at Luke's era, the Empire forced all technology to be weaker/less advance.

Meaning, ANH's tech is nothing much either way.

oh about the weapons, please state the official power yield of the lasers X-Wing uses & the Protons torps too.

& please don't use non-canon info. Because fanfics tend to go overboard on something they don't understand.

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even the flyer is like 3 times bigger then the X-Wing.
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Report this Aug. 11 2004, 7:14 pm

Quote (Vold @ Aug. 11 2004, 3:39 pm)
even the flyer is like 3 times bigger then the X-Wing.

Actually, It's not that much larger (2x at most).

I don't think 24th century targeting systems would have any problems keeping up with an X-Wing.  Personally, I've always viewed SW technology as a lot less advaced than ST...shields and transporters being the main examples.

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Report this Aug. 11 2004, 7:49 pm

Quote (Vold @ Aug. 11 2004, 10:39 am)
If i'm not mistaken, at Luke's era, the Empire forced all technology to be weaker/less advance.

Meaning, ANH's tech is nothing much either way.

oh about the weapons, please state the official power yield of the lasers X-Wing uses & the Protons torps too.

& please don't use non-canon info. Because fanfics tend to go overboard on something they don't understand.

:)

even the flyer is like 3 times bigger then the X-Wing.
:)

Well there is no canon source to say an X-wing's specific power I will admit, but a Jedi starfighter has canon weapons at 1KT a piece for its two laser cannons. Seeing as though the Jedi starfighter was not made as a combat vehicle per se, but more as just a means of getting around, its likely an X-wing (built for combat) would have weapons power greater then a Jedi starfighter. Not to mention the fact that the two are a product from two different ages, the Jedi starfighter was never meant to fight in large battles, the X-wing was meant to stand toe to toe with modern starfighters and win, granted that by the time of RotJ, it is a bit old, but only outclassed by a few other starfighters.

Also, I am not sure there are canon sources for proton torpedo's power... but a concussion missile (which is similar to a proton torp, if a little less powerful) is said to be able to destroy a large building (large being something around a football stadium or 3 quarters that size), it was said to be able to destroy those types of building made out of durasteel and transperent-steel.  I have always heard MT ranges for them, though in many novels the exact strength for a Proton torp is varied.

Now that I have answered your question, can you please answer mine? What are the canon weapons strengths for the Flyer's phasers and torps? Also, how fast and meneuverable is the Flyer?

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Report this Aug. 11 2004, 7:52 pm

Quote (bushido001 @ Aug. 11 2004, 11:14 am)
Quote (Vold @ Aug. 11 2004, 3:39 pm)
even the flyer is like 3 times bigger then the X-Wing.

Actually, It's not that much larger (2x at most).

I don't think 24th century targeting systems would have any problems keeping up with an X-Wing. Personally, I've always viewed SW technology as a lot less advaced than ST...shields and transporters being the main examples.

Well X-wings are faster then anything in Trek, unless you can name something its size that goes faster?

Also, on the count for shields, SW has superior shields... them being able to take MUCH more punishment then Trek shields.  On the count of transporters, SW in general have them, yet they are not widely used.  There are so many things that can go wrong with ST transporters that its more of a problem then an advantage.  In general, SW has superior tech, but that is for another thread if you want to open one?

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Report this Aug. 11 2004, 9:08 pm

You can find specs on this page under "Shuttles" at the top and "Delta Flyer" on the left-hand menu.  The combat ratings are as compared to a Galaxy class starship, but in the description it talks about the various borg enhancements.  You've seen the Defiant move (comparable with Han Solo's ship), right?, well the Flyer is nearly twice as agile as that.

SW shields can take more punishment from SW level weapons, but I guess it's like the old "apples and oranges" cliche...

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Report this Aug. 11 2004, 9:45 pm

Quote (bushido001 @ Aug. 11 2004, 1:08 pm)
You can find specs on this page under "Shuttles" at the top and "Delta Flyer" on the left-hand menu.  The combat ratings are as compared to a Galaxy class starship, but in the description it talks about the various borg enhancements.  You've seen the Defiant move (comparable with Han Solo's ship), right?, well the Flyer is nearly twice as agile as that.

SW shields can take more punishment from SW level weapons, but I guess it's like the old "apples and oranges" cliche...

Sorry, my computer is screwing up the site and I can't get on to it.

Umm no, 200GT, 700GT, 1TT, 100TT is all the same in both galaxies. If a SW ship can take TT levels and a ST ship can't then that's plain and simple.

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Report this Aug. 11 2004, 10:08 pm

I'm no expert at this, so forgive me if someone who understands this more then I if i were wrong.
:)

1. Jedi starfighter has canon weapons at 1KT a piece for its two laser cannons.
- 1 KT? u mean Kilowatt?
- I'm no expert, but that means the Phasers are dang lot more powerful.
- The Delta Flyer's phasers alone is 1,500 TeraWatts. That's 1,500,000,000,000 times more powerful then that laser.
- So even if the X-Wing's power is 1,000,000,000 times stronger then the Jedi Fighter, it still is not enough to compare with the Phasers.
- this not to mentioned that a Phaser can disentigrate an entire building like Henry Starling's office, its height is about the Football stadium's size, i think.
Something that you said only the missile can do.
- please elaborate on what "KT" means.
:)

2. but a concussion missile (which is similar to a proton torp, if a little less powerful) is said to be able to destroy a large building (large being something around a football stadium or 3 quarters that size)
- A Photon should be able to deal more damage then that.
- I'm no expert on antimatter, but a 2,000 kilos of antimater, can take out a small planet. I'm sure a 1.5 kilos can take out any man made structure.
- A photon is also more faster & longer range weapon then SW's torpedoes.
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Kilo - 1,000
Tera - 1,000,000,000,000

The warhead of the photon torpedo comprises a maximum of 1.5 kilos of antimatter and 1.5 kilos of matter.


What do you mean TT?

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Report this Aug. 11 2004, 10:16 pm

Ah, finally accessed the site, I see its the imfamous Graham Kennedy.  He is a well know uber-Trekkie who, coincidently, created an unblievebly biased fanfic which goes right against SW... even so far as saying that a Sovereign can take out loads of ISDs and even go up against an SSD.  I am not sure if those stats for the Flyer is right (given his biased ways towards Trek), but given that a yacht can have shields on the level of 2,000,000,000 gigawatts, its not far off that an X-wing would have roughly the same... not to mention the Enterprise-D only had shields up to 3311 GW. As for the proton's strength, the missiles on Slave I have power on the level of 190MTs, the protons are probably less.

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Report this Aug. 11 2004, 10:20 pm

He's story may be biased, but not the info.

I'm not even sure its he's story, all i know is he posted it there, maybe someone else wrote it.

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Report this Aug. 11 2004, 10:28 pm

Quote (Grand_Admiral @ Aug. 11 2004, 7:16 pm)
given that a yacht can have shields on the level of 2,000,000,000 gigawatts,
its not far off that an X-wing would have roughly the same...

We can't really assume something like that.

1. not all shields are designed the same way. some may use the same amount of energy but the defense strength is different.
2. not to mentioned, SW's shields are designed for a simple weapon "Laser", what works for 1 thing, may not work as well for the other.

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Report this Aug. 11 2004, 10:30 pm

oh 1 more thing i want to add on ST's sheilds.

They are easily adaptable to SW's lasers.

& if i'm not mistaken, lasers have only 1 frequency.

even if it has more then 1 frequency. SW ship weapons aren't designed to change frequencies.

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Report this Aug. 11 2004, 10:33 pm

Quote (Vold @ Aug. 11 2004, 2:08 pm)
I'm no expert at this, so forgive me if someone who understands this more then I if i were wrong.
:)

I'll do me best to explain these things.

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- I'm no expert, but that means the Phasers are dang lot more powerful.

Yes, phasers are more powerful, but they are just more powerful then starfighter weapons thats a far cry from being more powerful then actual capital ship weapons.

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- So even if the X-Wing's power is 1,000,000,000 times stronger then the Jedi Fighter, it still is not enough to compare with the Phasers.

See above posts.

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- please elaborate on what "KT" means.
:)

KT=Kiloton as above.

The scale on firepower is based off of 1 ton equaling a ton of TNT:

KT=kiloton (normal fighter weapons in SW)
MT=megaton (mid to higher MT is the weapons strength for Federation starships)
GT=gigaton (higher GT is the normal weapons power for one SW capital ship weapon Trek needs a fleet of ships to produce GT levels)
TT=teraton (lower TT for one Heavy Turbolaser also a full broadside can reach high TT something that Trek has yet to do)
PT=petaton (SW uses shields that go into the PT ranges for theater and planetary shields also a range for weapons power that requires a fleet of SW ships)
ET=exaton (a fleet of SW ships can also reach into this but powerful ships are needed)

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- A Photon should be able to deal more damage then that.

Actually no, see above post.

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- A photon is also more faster & longer range weapon then SW's torpedoes.

Actually wrong again, photon torps are slow, watch Attack of the Clones and youll see why SW torps are faster.

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3. Well X-wings are faster then anything in Trek, unless you can name something its size that goes faster?
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- From earlier statement on the weapons, it sounds like the X-Wing won't even harm the Flyer's shields. I think.

See above post.

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Side Notes
Kilo - 1,000
Tera - 1,000,000,000,000


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What do you mean TT?

TT=Teraton, a level of firepower nothing in Trek has reached yet.

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