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Wormholes on planets?

borg950

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Report this Aug. 10 2004, 9:35 pm

Could wormholes actually stabilize on a planet?
I've heard theories that they could.
Are they true?

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Report this Aug. 10 2004, 11:51 pm

Quote (borg950 @ Aug. 10 2004, 6:35 pm)
Could wormholes actually stabilize on a planet?
I've heard theories that they could.
Are they true?

First wormholes by nature are unstable, the only way to stablize them is to stuff Exotic matter ( matter composed of negative energy or contain a large enought of negative Pressure) across the throat of the wormhole.

Such matter creates antigravity forcing the mouth open. Problem is that negative energy would cause massive problems. Use too much and the Wormhole explodes form a new big bang, over writing the present universe.

A second is that Negative energy would cause steady attraction of positive energy ( you would actually see heat being generated by ice cubes near the worm hole) and you would be force to find a way to keep this energy away from the Exotic matter. The longer the Worm hole remains in existant the larger the amount of positive energy.

This may be a way to extract free energy, but there is a possiblity that any normal matter entering the worm hole could unlease a burst of energy that frieds the planet and wormhole.

human_of_the_plains

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Report this Aug. 12 2004, 1:58 am

Also, a planet is constantly moving, so if you could stablize a wormhole it would stay in the same spot and not be able to move with the planet.

Besides, a wormhole (assuming it was stable) on a planet could leach away the atmosphere, dust particles in the air, and wondering lifeforms to the other end, whether it be on another planet (in which casewe might have some little visitors of our own) or the middle of nowhere in space (where that leaching process would be a slightly faster process).

This is just my view on things, and it is possible that I'm wrong.  Please take it as a theory not a fact.

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Report this Aug. 12 2004, 8:44 am

wormholes also can either lead to a different place or a different time or both.

Commodore_64

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Report this Aug. 15 2004, 7:57 pm

In principle, a wormhole could be stabilized by threading its throat with `exotic matter'. The exotic matter forms a thin spherical shell. The shell of exotic matter has negative mass and positive surface pressure. The negative mass ensures that the throat of the wormhole lies outside the horizon, so that travellers can pass through it, while the positive surface pressure prevents the wormhole from collapsing. In general relativity, one is free to specify whatever geometry one cares to imagine for spacetime; but then Einstein's equations specify what the energy-momentum content of matter in that spacetime must be in order to produce that geometry. Generically, wormholes require negative mass exotic matter at their throats, in order to be traversible. While the notion of negative mass is certainly bizarre, the vacuum fluctuations near a black hole are exotic, so perhaps exotic matter is not utterly impossible?

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Report this Aug. 15 2004, 8:39 pm

Technically there is no such thing as wormholes (i.e. none haven't been proven to exist) except in science fiction, so no one can really speak with any real authority on the subject.

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Report this Aug. 15 2004, 8:56 pm

Quote (Algeron @ Aug. 15 2004, 1:39 am)
Technically there is no such thing as wormholes (i.e. none haven't been proven to exist) except in science fiction, so no one can really speak with any real authority on the subject.

Just in case you forgot what the word theory meant, here's a reminder.....

A set of statements or principles devised to explain a group of facts or phenomena, especially one that has been repeatedly tested or is widely accepted and can be used to make predictions about natural phenomena.
The branch of a science or art consisting of its explanatory statements, accepted principles, and methods of analysis, as opposed to practice: a fine musician who had never studied theory.
A set of theorems that constitute a systematic view of a branch of mathematics.
Abstract reasoning; speculation: a decision based on experience rather than theory.
A belief or principle that guides action or assists comprehension or judgment: staked out the house on the theory that criminals usually return to the scene of the crime.
An assumption based on limited information or knowledge; a conjecture.A set of statements or principles devised to explain a group of facts or phenomena, especially one that has been repeatedly tested or is widely accepted and can be used to make predictions about natural phenomena.
The branch of a science or art consisting of its explanatory statements, accepted principles, and methods of analysis, as opposed to practice: a fine musician who had never studied theory.
A set of theorems that constitute a systematic view of a branch of mathematics.
Abstract reasoning; speculation: a decision based on experience rather than theory.
A belief or principle that guides action or assists comprehension or judgment: staked out the house on the theory that criminals usually return to the scene of the crime.
An assumption based on limited information or knowledge; a conjecture.

Algeron

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Report this Aug. 16 2004, 8:19 pm

Quote (Commodore64 @ Aug. 15 2004, 9:56 am)
Quote (Algeron @ Aug. 15 2004, 1:39 am)
Technically there is no such thing as wormholes (i.e. none haven't been proven to exist) except in science fiction, so no one can really speak with any real authority on the subject.

Just in case you forgot what the word theory meant, here's a reminder.....

A set of statements or principles devised to explain a group of facts or phenomena, especially one that has been repeatedly tested or is widely accepted and can be used to make predictions about natural phenomena.
The branch of a science or art consisting of its explanatory statements, accepted principles, and methods of analysis, as opposed to practice: a fine musician who had never studied theory.
A set of theorems that constitute a systematic view of a branch of mathematics.
Abstract reasoning; speculation: a decision based on experience rather than theory.
A belief or principle that guides action or assists comprehension or judgment: staked out the house on the theory that criminals usually return to the scene of the crime.
An assumption based on limited information or knowledge; a conjecture.A set of statements or principles devised to explain a group of facts or phenomena, especially one that has been repeatedly tested or is widely accepted and can be used to make predictions about natural phenomena.
The branch of a science or art consisting of its explanatory statements, accepted principles, and methods of analysis, as opposed to practice: a fine musician who had never studied theory.
A set of theorems that constitute a systematic view of a branch of mathematics.
Abstract reasoning; speculation: a decision based on experience rather than theory.
A belief or principle that guides action or assists comprehension or judgment: staked out the house on the theory that criminals usually return to the scene of the crime.
An assumption based on limited information or knowledge; a conjecture.

And how does that affect what I stated?

Commodore_64

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Report this Aug. 16 2004, 9:11 pm

Wow, was the meaning behind that beyond your comprehension?

Algeron

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Report this Aug. 16 2004, 9:19 pm

Well, least no one will ever accuse you of being emotionally developed. lol

And my question hasn't been answered yet.

Commodore_64

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Report this Aug. 16 2004, 9:25 pm

Quote (Algeron @ Aug. 16 2004, 2:19 am)
Well, least no one will ever accuse you of being emotionally developed. lol

And my question hasn't been answered yet.

Oh name calling! How mature of you little boy!

Algeron

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Report this Aug. 16 2004, 9:34 pm

Quote (Commodore64 @ Aug. 16 2004, 10:25 am)
Quote (Algeron @ Aug. 16 2004, 2:19 am)
Well, least no one will ever accuse you of being emotionally developed. lol

And my question hasn't been answered yet.

Oh name calling! How mature of you little boy!

lol I properly call you unemotionally developed because you insinuate I'm somehow stupid because I asked how your post has any influencial bearing on mine, then you decide to call me names after saying it was immature of me to do so -- which, incidentally, solidifies my standing on your emotional status. lol You're like some kind of cartoon character.

Commodore_64

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Report this Aug. 16 2004, 9:37 pm

Quote (Algeron @ Aug. 16 2004, 2:34 am)
Quote (Commodore64 @ Aug. 16 2004, 10:25 am)
Quote (Algeron @ Aug. 16 2004, 2:19 am)
Well, least no one will ever accuse you of being emotionally developed. lol

And my question hasn't been answered yet.

Oh name calling! How mature of you little boy!

lol I properly call you unemotionally developed because you insinuate I'm somehow stupid because I asked how your post has any influencial bearing on mine, then you decide to call me names after saying it was immature of me to do so -- which, incidentally, solidifies my standing on your emotional status. lol You're like some kind of cartoon character.

Really? Wow! Obviously a character you like seeing as how you seem to follow me around the board. Makes me wonder why you asked me not to talk to you?

Commodore_64

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Report this Aug. 17 2004, 12:39 am

Anyway dude, maybe we could both do something more constructive than flaming each other? The choice is yours.

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Report this Aug. 17 2004, 3:52 am

Commodore 64 is right: the word theory is far too often confused with the word speculation on these boards. And wormholes -- I'm afraid -- are speculation: very well argumented and taken seriously by many astronomists and mathematicians. Nevertheless, they'll be the first to affirm and confirm that, at least for now, wormhole are just speculation. A likely hipothesis, but that's it.
No. The truth is I want to confuse all of you so that I can be the first one to come up with the discovery and take all the credit. Nobel Prize! Here I come.  :D  :p

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