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Goa'uld VS. Enterprise E

Captain_Storma

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Report this Aug. 04 2004, 9:46 am

Enterprise-E... I don't even know what this Gu..whatever is.

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Report this Aug. 04 2004, 10:01 am

Quote (Cpt_Romanski @ Aug. 04 2004, 6:46 am)
Enterprise-E... I don't even know what this Gu..whatever is.

If you don't know, then why bother?

It's like saying "who would win...a 13th-century knight or an M1A1 Abrams MBT", and saying the knight would because you don't know what a tank is. :D

AquamonkeyEG

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Report this Aug. 04 2004, 11:06 am

haha i love those abram tanks. does ne 1 know wat new kinda armor the US is starting to employ on their tanks?

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Report this Aug. 04 2004, 11:58 pm

Quote (AquamonkeyEG @ Aug. 04 2004, 8:06 am)
haha i love those abram tanks. does ne 1 know wat new kinda armor the US is starting to employ on their tanks?

The M1A1 tank incorporates a ceramic coasted steel encased depleted uranium armour. Armour bulkheads separate the crew compartment from the fuel tanks. The top panels of the tank are designed to blow outwards in the event of penetration by a HEAT projectile. The tank is protected against nuclear, biological and chemical (NBC) warfare.

The steel is coated with a layer of ceramic compound invented in England, this provides protection from Heat rounds that uses molten copper to cut thru steel. The Deplete uranium due to its density is used to stop Kinetic rounds like the Sabot round used as anti tank rounds...

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Report this Aug. 05 2004, 12:05 am

awesome!!

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Report this Aug. 06 2004, 12:21 am

If worse comes to worse, the crew can simply make something up that sounds techy and win...because the good guys can do that... :;):

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Report this Aug. 06 2004, 12:54 am

one isoton is =5.6 mega ton
u can calculate joules of energy givin out by a 1 megaton blast and compare it to energy produced by a standard photon torpede and u will get the measurement..

damn no matter wut goa'uld and enterprise definitly use similar tech
similar not same, they both can generate energy shielding and use particle weapon
but y goa'uld ship is much bigger? not only because it is a mother ship but because ti is using naquadac reactor, which need to be huge to create the energy need for the mother ship
the federation use matter-antimatter reactor... similar energy output but much smaller... so from this point we can say the fed posses superior technology. since everything need energy to build, who posses superior energy generating tech, who's strenght should be superior in comparison...

and some ppl always want to use the goa'uld ship suriviveed a nuke blast.
even with the same yield a matterantimatter explosion in space will be much more powerful, because it create energy wave in a higher wave length.

and as i said before the whole topic we arguing about is pointless.. obviously startrek and stargate exist in different quantam universe... so it is like try to put ice into molten lead and expect the ice come out unharmed...

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Report this Aug. 06 2004, 1:22 am

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even with the same yield a matterantimatter explosion in space will be much more powerful, because it create energy wave in a higher wave length.

i think u mean higher frequency

photons have max yield of 200 isotons... by ur conversion, this equates to 1120 megatons. i forget the complement of torps on a sovereign is (i think its like 30). how many torp hits can a soveriegn take b4 shields go down? and of course they hardly ever use the max yield, inflating the # of torp hits a sovereign can take.

also, ha'tak ships are that big because they are ''mother ships'' the carry thousands of Jaffa, dozens of gliders and several alkesh. of course it requires a huge reactor!!! smaller ships use smaller naquada reactors (cargo ships)

and i will point out again that hyperdrive is much faster than warp drive, this is what the naquada reactors are primarily used for. like the warp core used for warp drive.

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Report this Aug. 06 2004, 1:27 am

Quote (ramsesqu @ Aug. 05 2004, 9:54 pm)
one isoton is =5.6 mega ton
u can calculate joules of energy givin out by a 1 megaton blast and compare it to energy produced by a standard photon torpede and u will get the measurement..

damn no matter wut goa'uld and enterprise definitly use similar tech
similar not same, they both can generate energy shielding and use particle weapon
but y goa'uld ship is much bigger? not only because it is a mother ship but because ti is using naquadac reactor, which need to be huge to create the energy need for the mother ship
the federation use matter-antimatter reactor... similar energy output but much smaller... so from this point we can say the fed posses superior technology. since everything need energy to build, who posses superior energy generating tech, who's strenght should be superior in comparison...

and some ppl always want to use the goa'uld ship suriviveed a nuke blast.
even with the same yield a matterantimatter explosion in space will be much more powerful, because it create energy wave in a higher wave length.

and as i said before the whole topic we arguing about is pointless.. obviously startrek and stargate exist in different quantam universe... so it is like try to put ice into molten lead and expect the ice come out unharmed...

And where do you get that Figure... what are using as a baseline. As it look from the various episodes we seen Photon torpedoes do less damage than Conventional explosive.

If any thing I say an isoton is equal to a single ton of tnt, so a 200 isoton photon torp would be equal to a Daisy cutter, which look about right. Either case the Goauld wins hand down.

An anti matter explosion releases gamma rays just like an atomic bomb or hydrogen bomb, no different. All antimatter gives you is a higher power density than fusion or fission, since the entire mass of the fuel is convert to energy not just a small percentage.

And what does it matter if the Goald reactor is bigger as long as it allow then to unlease more energy than Federation starship.

The Enterprise cannot even generate a Terawatt :

TNG Season 2, Ep# 36: "The Dauphin"

DATA: Sir, sensors indicate the communication originated from a terawatt source on the planet.
RIKER: That's more power than our entire ship can generate.
DATA: It is what is needed to penetrate the atmosphere.
RIKER: Which means we lack the ability to respond...


A single Blast from a Goald energy cannon can generate more than that...

Goald win hands down.

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Report this Aug. 06 2004, 1:43 am

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And where do you get that Figure... what are using as a baseline. As it look from the various episodes we seen Photon torpedoes do less damage than Conventional explosive.

i would agree with this after watching FC for the 40 something time. when the borg were bombarding cochrane's launch site those blasts were hardly more than an RPG. since their weapons are superior to fed weapons, 1 would assume that their torps are more powerfull than a 200 isoton photon. and if the conversion is 5.6x megaton basically 1 shot and a half the state would be gone.

the reason ha'tak weapons don't impact with 200 megaton blasts is because their energy is dissipated by the atmosphere in the same way as their shields are weakened in atmosphere (SG1: "Homecoming part 2"). either way when a ha'tak weapon impacts it'll take out a building (SG1: "The Sentinel").

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Report this Aug. 08 2004, 1:29 am

ok.. form wut u guys's arguement

u are comparing two different class of ships
like compare if a single F14 can destroy a aircraft carrier or not?

of course it can using hte rite weapon.

and same thing to the enterprise of course it can using the rite method...

but always remember this it is a unfair comparement... so even if the Goa'uld win that still doesn't prove the Goa'uld have supperior tech or wut so ever...

for transporter alone.. we can see enterprise is superior, and hyperdrive and warp is two different things like runing and take a air plane.

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Report this Aug. 08 2004, 3:50 am

because warp is like running and hyperdrive is like taking an airplane

anubis has transporters like the Asgard which has the same capabilities as ST transporters

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Report this Aug. 09 2004, 1:22 am

Quote (AquamonkeyEG @ Aug. 08 2004, 12:50 am)
because warp is like running and hyperdrive is like taking an airplane

anubis has transporters like the Asgard which has the same capabilities as ST transporters

Another thing, unlike star trek, I yet to see a Goauld transporter ( Rings) cause half the Accidents that we seen Star trek transporter cause..

Trek Superior transporter? Nah!

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Report this Aug. 09 2004, 7:54 am

and wat's cool about rings is that you can actually intercept the matter stream with a ship and jack watever is in transport

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Report this Aug. 10 2004, 7:20 pm

Quote (AquamonkeyEG @ Aug. 08 2004, 11:54 pm)
and wat's cool about rings is that you can actually intercept the matter stream with a ship and jack watever is in transport

Wow, this is a little late but you can also intercept ST's transporters.  It is not easy, but it isn't easy to intercept Goa'uld matter streams either.

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