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Can the Borg addapt to bullets?

h4dd3n

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Report this Jul. 05 2004, 3:35 am

I'm thinking no, because they can't addapt to swords, and other melee weapons. and a bullet is a physical object just like a sword, therefore the Borg should not be able to addapt. Yet if so why has no one thought of using the replicator to make an AK-47 when they were up against Borg?

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Report this Jul. 05 2004, 4:17 am

Adapt doesn't based on frequencies alone.

They can adapt to anything, just depending on that thing.

Energy weapons - that's what their shields are designed for

Force Fields - something in them designed to emit the same frequency as the FF in order to go through it

HTH comabt - their enhence strength can take care almost any species easily. And their exoplating provides sufficient protection agaisnt usual encounters.

Bullets & Blades - at the moment, they don't have defenses for these, that's because they never encounter any race that still uses such methods. Now that the Federation have used it the Borg will develope defenses against these too.

Its all a matter of time & resources.

:)

Ambrosa

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Report this Jul. 05 2004, 11:01 am

Projectile weapons are dangerous in enclosed spaces.  The bulkheads are strong enough to resist a bullet, and the bullet would ricoshet, being as dangerous to the user as the target.

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Report this Jul. 05 2004, 12:06 pm

another reason why most races don't use it, which makes it irrelevant to waste resources in defending against something that is rarely encountered.

:)

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Report this Jul. 05 2004, 3:49 pm

A difficult question to answer, because it's never been addressed in canon. But in Shatner's "The Return" novel, when the away team visits the Borg-assimilated world, the drones eventually adapt to the Klingon officer's projectile weapon. So I assume, like phaser frequencies, the Borg just need a certain level of exposure to the weapon before they adapt. After all, they're not called Borg "shields" for nothing. ;)

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Report this Jul. 05 2004, 5:36 pm

Would it be harder for the borg to addapt to bulets than to phasers?

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Report this Jul. 05 2004, 6:56 pm

all it would take to stop a bullet is a force field, not even a powerful one at that.  It's only needed to deflect the bullet from the target.

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Report this Jul. 05 2004, 9:08 pm

Quote (ObsidianFlame99 @ July 05 2004, 12:49 pm)
So I assume, like phaser frequencies, the Borg just need a certain level of exposure to the weapon before they adapt. After all, they're not called Borg "shields" for nothing. ;)

There's a problem with that idea.

The Borg's shields isn't like force fields & other typical shields.

They scan the weapons frequency & most likely absorb & disperse the weapon's discharge in order to make no longer a threat. It doesn't just deflect like other simple energy wasting shields.

:)

only problem with the Borg's design, is it needs time to scan for the opponent's weapons frequency. Something, no normal people can do easily. That's why no one unassimilated uses those shieldings even though they get to study it under a microscope.

the reason to think this is because. If its same like any other shields, why in the universe do they need to scan the frequency?

This is how a normal shield works with frequency:

Same Frequency = Weapon can pass through the shield
Different Frequency = Weapons can't pass through the shield

So if Borg's shield is same like that, so why bother scanning? Why not just switch it on & turn to a different frequency which is so much easier.

:)

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Report this Jul. 06 2004, 9:01 am

as much as i hate to disagree with vold i have to say i think the borg shields can adapt to stop bullets, my reasoning for this is that the shields are electromagnetic in charachter meaning they could easily create a magnetic force to attract or repel the bullets, a pice of 2x4 as suggested in another post is a different story tho :)

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Report this Jul. 06 2004, 9:20 am

Not to press on the subject, but i just want to state something here about "shields". :)

Remember the word "Shield" represents a lot of things.

from hard metal board to evergy form protection, not to mentioned immunities to shield against some diseases.

now, as for the Borg, what exactly are those green glows that protected them?

shields? but what kind of shields, there are tons of variaties,

in Robotech they got 3 dimentional pocket discs maneuvaring around the SDF 1, anything that shoots at it is transported away to another area or dimension & whoever is unlucky to be in the way of the other end of the hole may get hit.

to us that sounded like portals. But they still call them shields.

Now what about the Borg's green stuff, so far no Drone have mentioned the word shield at all. Only Starfleet mentions that word & other alien's language are translated to English that refers to that word too.

ok, let's say the Borg call them shields too, now the next question is how does it work?
are they like ship shields? Force fields?

now from what you said
:)

another thing i like to point out about my earlier idea about Borg's shields are asorbing & dispersing the weapon's energy.

:)
Normal Bubble shields/Force Fields:
- Energy draining as it continuosly protects the user
- The shield is able to be breached even with its power still up.
- full protection till it runs out of battery or got breached.

Borg Shields
- Limitless energy, as it uses the weapon's own energy by asorbing it.
- to avoid an overload, it disperse the surplus amount of energy
- full protection, till the opponent changes frequency or uses a non energy based weapon.

:)

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Report this Jul. 07 2004, 3:31 am

another little point to why they have to have he same frequency, if you have a square brick and throw it at a round hole some of the brick will break off and go through the wall, starships are a hell of a lot stronger than the average drone what with hull plating and such like so if a phaser is shot at a ship then part of the phaser would get through as you tend to se when ships are fired at they get damaged before the shields come down.  the only way to stop the phaser completely would be to know the exact frequency of the phaser fire and setup a precise inverse frequency and amplitude to cancel out the entire beam. so basically thats why i think the borg have to scan the frequency and adapt.  also remember they have to scan their frequencies and adapt on their cubes as well if the weapons are sufficiently powerful

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Report this Jul. 07 2004, 3:41 am

When u say "have to have he same frequency"

sounds like you ment, the Borg need the freq. so they change their shields to the same freq.

that would mean the weapons will go pass through the shields.

You should just say, "they need the frequency".
So this may apply to many reason or course of action to take after getting the freq.

:)

My idea, they need the Freq. so their whatever their shields are, is able to asorb the energy & disperse it.

Your idea, is that they need it to create a form of like totally opposite freq. to cancel the weapon.

Basically we had the same idea but to a different path :)
no problem there.

our communication breakdown is as i explain above, about the way u mentioned "why the borg need the freq."

sorry. :)

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Report this Jul. 07 2004, 5:34 am

picard is able to kill 2 borg with a machine gun on the hollo deck

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Report this Jul. 07 2004, 7:05 am

yea but that doesnt mean they can't addapt to it kingcole, every episode with borg practically they kill several borg with phasers

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Report this Jul. 07 2004, 7:11 pm

then the Borg adapt and they have to run.  

If there are only so many frequencies a phaser can use, and if the Borg are in constant contact with each other, won't using one frequncy make the rest of the Collective immune to that frequncy as well?  And how long do drones "remember" a certain frequency before it can be used against them again?

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