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Star Trek vs Star Wars

Grand_Admiral

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Report this Aug. 11 2004, 3:11 pm

Quote (ooschmid @ Aug. 10 2004, 11:48 pm)
One we have cellphone, the person that invented celphones even said he got the idea from ST. Portable computer, again the idea came from ST. Voice activation systems, once more the idea come from ST. So you tell me what we use to day that did not come from people inspired by ST. I could put a plastic spoke through armer. I have seen hay (with enough force) go through a brick. So that is a bad example.

On the cell phone part, I have never heard that but I guess I'll take your word for it.  About the portable coputer bit, where did you find out that ST inspired that? Voice activation?  Really?  There have been other series with voice activation, I just find it hard to believ that the designers of such systems would take it from ST, they mabye thought of ST when designing, but to think that it was fully inspired by Trek is a bit far... unless you have a quote or something?

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Report this Aug. 11 2004, 11:19 pm

Quote (ooschmid @ Aug. 11 2004, 4:48 am)
One we have cellphone, the person that invented celphones even said he got the idea from ST. Portable computer, again the idea came from ST. Voice activation systems, once more the idea come from ST. So you tell me what we use to day that did not come from people inspired by ST. I could put a plastic spoke through armer. I have seen hay (with enough force) go through a brick. So that is a bad example.

Then provide the quote from the person that he was inspired by Trek to invent cell phones.  And provide that same proof for your assertion for laptops and voice activation systems.

And a spork, short of being thrown at thousands of kilometers a second, is not going to go through plate armor.  Trek does not have the ability to throw their sporks around like that, so Wars plate armor is invincible.

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Report this Aug. 12 2004, 11:33 am

Quote (Grand_Admiral @ Aug. 08 2004, 1:18 pm)
[So using a person who has a PHD in astrophisics doesn't mean a thing? *rolls eyes*  

What they use him for, to hold the camera? Oh wait he must have been the bright lad who came with the idea of using a solar sail (which does not even go the speed of light) in to movie where everybody else is going 3 billion c . I'm talking about the fundamentals of ST warp drive speed, transporter, phasers, etc. Technology was not part of the equation in the concept of SW in ST it was. Apples and oranges

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Report this Aug. 12 2004, 6:48 pm

Quote (CptHowdy @ Aug. 12 2004, 3:33 am)
Quote (Grand_Admiral @ Aug. 08 2004, 1:18 pm)
[So using a person who has a PHD in astrophisics doesn't mean a thing? *rolls eyes*

What they use him for, to hold the camera? Oh wait he must have been the bright lad who came with the idea of using a solar sail (which does not even go the speed of light) in to movie where everybody else is going 3 billion c .   I'm talking about the fundamentals of ST warp drive speed, transporter, phasers, etc. Technology was not part of the equation in the concept of SW in ST it was. Apples and oranges

Dr. Saxton was used in creating the ICS: AOTC and the new ITW book.  He is also a technical consultant for SW.

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Report this Aug. 14 2004, 4:10 pm

Quote (tomdidiot @ Aug. 11 2004, 8:50 am)
Why don't we just end this by summarizing Star Trek Wins. If you want Star Wars to win....... far chance here or go to a Star Wars site (and you probrably wouldn't win there either)

A starwar site say startrek win!... Funny since the most Neutral space battle site Spacebattle.com has long running forum on this and the  general take is that trek loses. The only question is how Badly.

Now at a Pro Starwar ( actual Empire.) site has shown the same. www.stardestroyer.net  have a very
indepth analysis of the whole matter. They have even condensed the Agruement into a 5 minute guide for even the most hard headed Trekie.

As it stand Starwar has more fire power, faster ships and can generate more power than the most powerful Federation ship.

What put a final stake into the heart of the matter, is the Attack of the Clone Cross section book, Lucas has pronounce the Book Cannon, on the same footing as the Movies ( since the diagrams where used by the writers and special effect poeple).

With the One Quote of  "200GT per Shot" ends the matter.

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Report this Aug. 14 2004, 4:12 pm

And the funny fact that Slave I has better weapons/shields then the Enterprise-D. :p

EDIT: Slave I also has better power output, its faster at STL and FTL, its smaller and agile, and it just a small patrol craft as small or smaller then a Runabout. LOL!!!  

Also the small fact that these crafts, Firesprays (Slave I's make), is mass-produced in SW.

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Report this Aug. 14 2004, 10:58 pm

Well let's be fair now, the Slave I did have some aftermarket effects added :D

But it's still funny how a small patrol craft (with a kiddie booster seat to boot!) can take on the best Starfleet can throw at it :)

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Report this Aug. 15 2004, 2:13 pm

Quote (Lupino @ Aug. 14 2004, 2:58 pm)
Well let's be fair now, the Slave I did have some aftermarket effects added :D

But it's still funny how a small patrol craft (with a kiddie booster seat to boot!) can take on the best Starfleet can throw at it :)

Yes true true... though even 1 TIE Defender could give the E-D a run for its money.  It has concussion missiles, ion cannons, laser cannons, shields, it freaking fast, and it has a hyerpdrive to boot!

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Report this Aug. 15 2004, 2:52 pm

Quote (Grand_Admiral @ Aug. 15 2004, 11:13 am)
Quote (Lupino @ Aug. 14 2004, 2:58 pm)
Well let's be fair now, the Slave I did have some aftermarket effects added :D

But it's still funny how a small patrol craft (with a kiddie booster seat to boot!) can take on the best Starfleet can throw at it :)

Yes true true... though even 1 TIE Defender could give the E-D a run for its money. It has concussion missiles, ion cannons, laser cannons, shields, it freaking fast, and it has a hyerpdrive to boot!

What really remarkable is that these ship are mass producted and are available for purchase by any one that has the credits to pay for it.

Without a free market the  Rebel would not have been able to purchase the Ion cannon that allow a large potion of their forces to escape hoths, or Acquire the fame X wing fighter.

At looking at the whole issue of st vs SW we overlook the superior Economic system. Free Market vs communist ( Feddies are dirty communies. LOL), which allow organization like the Trade federation to Buy a droid army or the Republic to by Clone troopers.

Once again SW have another ace in their hand to play.

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Report this Aug. 15 2004, 4:18 pm

That's something I forget to think about, even a people like the Trade Federation could completly whipe the floor with the Federation, Kligons, Romulans, Dominion. LOL!!  Even the Corporate Sector would whip the Borg's butt so hard.  The Federation is just a bug that can be squashed by ONE ISD. LOL.  Let alone the massive amounts of ISDs, SSDs, VSDs, ect the Empire has.

Long live SW.  :p

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Report this Aug. 15 2004, 4:58 pm

Big deal Superman can wipe his butt with a star destroyer. Both fantasy!!

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Report this Aug. 15 2004, 5:03 pm

Quote (CptHowdy @ Aug. 15 2004, 1:58 pm)
Big deal Superman can wipe his butt with a star destroyer. Both fantasy!!

only in systems with a yellow sun!!! any where else and superman is blaster fodder....

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Report this Aug. 15 2004, 6:53 pm

Quote (CptHowdy @ Aug. 15 2004, 8:58 am)
Big deal Superman can wipe his butt with a star destroyer. Both fantasy!!

LOL!  A disgrunttled Trekkie?  Its ok, if you can't face the truth then its ok... but this is/was a ST vs SW debate.  

I would like to see Superman go up against the Sn Crusher though... just wipe out the Solar System.  Or what would Palaptine do with Superman?

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Report this Aug. 17 2004, 6:18 am

Yawn.  Arguing again are we?  I go over and Asks Q (NICELY) and he Snaps fingers "discussion is closed" says Q "Star Wars doesn't exist any more" :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh:

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Report this Aug. 17 2004, 6:28 am

Quote (tomdidiot @ Aug. 17 2004, 3:18 am)
Yawn.  Arguing again are we?  I go over and Asks Q (NICELY) and he Snaps fingers "discussion is closed" says Q "Star Wars doesn't exist any more" :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh:

Hmmm like Q really can do that. Yawn... Only george lucas can cause he is god. lol

As it stand the limit of Q powers are an unknown. We seen him in fear of the character Whoopie plays ( well who can blame him, whoopies is scary) and the fact that he had to turn to humans to aid him in a Q civil war.

Knowing Q he would be seduced by the Dark side and become the ultimate Sith Lord.

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