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Star Trek vs Star Wars

Commadore_64

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Report this Jun. 08 2004, 9:28 pm

Ok, just an idea I had a while back. If anybody has the ability to do this then fair play because I don't.

I would be really cool to have a ship combat sim. What I mean is, lets say you want to take a Sovereign class starship up against an Imperial Star Destroyer. You select both ships and you get to battle it out to see which is more powerfull?

Sort of like, get all the ship specs and feed them into a database. There is no reason why it has to stop with Trek/Wars. Could include as many Sci-Fi ships as the disgner wanted?

Anyway, it's just a thought.

Sumspy

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Report this Jun. 08 2004, 9:33 pm

I sometimes wonder how the Enterprise would stand up against a Goa'lud mothership. Or how the True prometheus, not the trek one, but the 303, would stand up against the defiant. It is fun to sit around and think about it though.

Commadore_64

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Report this Jun. 08 2004, 10:27 pm

Yeah it is. Thats why I'd love something like this.

Grabbaba

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Report this Jun. 08 2004, 11:09 pm

That would be amazing. Blowing the crap out of an imperial star destroyer.  :laugh:

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Report this Jun. 08 2004, 11:53 pm

Quote (Grabbaba @ June 08 2004, 8:09 pm)
That would be amazing. Blowing the crap out of an imperial star destroyer. :laugh:

Problem is that it would be the other way around. Starwars missiles and turbolaser are hi megaton to ultra hi gigaton weapons according to the "Attack of the clone Cross section book."

Their shields would soak up 1000's of phasers blast and photon torpedoes...

Gold_53

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Report this Jun. 09 2004, 12:41 am

There was a non-licensed fully working mod for the PC game Star Trek Armada released on the net a few years ago. This allowed you to pit the Rebel Alliance & Imperial forces against any of the Star Trek races in the Armada game.

Unfortunately, the game was mostly 1 sided with the Empire & the Rebel Alliance having a significant advantage over the Klingons, Romulans, and Federation simply because they had hyperdrive and could basically go anywhere with an entire fleet instantly. The only ones that could compete were the Borg who had the same abilities with the Trans Warp conduits.

In addition, the Empire had the added ridiculously powered Super Star Destroyers and you could even build the Death Star. The mod was fun but the Trek races usually would be overwhelmed very quickly.  :cool:

Garbaron

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Report this Jun. 09 2004, 2:49 am

Not to argue with numbers, but don't Starfleet ships have terawatt force fields?
Isn't the photon torpedo yield around xx isotons, which is supposed to be way beyond mega and giga tons (the reason the word "isotons" was created)?

And what if Star Trek transporters could beam through Star Wars shielding?
I am thinking of Janeway sending that photon torpedo to the Borg ship; now substitute the Borg ship with a Stardestroyer BOOOOMMM!!

lanceromega

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Report this Jun. 09 2004, 3:40 am

Quote (Garbaron @ June 08 2004, 11:49 pm)
Not to argue with numbers, but don't Starfleet ships have terawatt force fields?
Isn't the photon torpedo yield around xx isotons, which is supposed to be way beyond mega and giga tons (the reason the word "isotons" was created)?

And what if Star Trek transporters could beam through Star Wars shielding?
I am thinking of Janeway sending that photon torpedo to the Borg ship; now substitute the Borg ship with a Stardestroyer BOOOOMMM!!


Where you get terrawatt from? Any way from the AOTC ICS we get a troop ship from the clone war era has a shield of 70 billion terrawatt. If a mere troop carrier build 20 year earlier have shield a 70 billion Terrawatts,what chance would starfleet vessel have against a capital ship like a star destroyer...

iso is latin for one... so it yield is one ton? one ton of what. from the TNG tech manual we get that a photon torpedoe warhead contain 1.5 KG of antimatter, so the explosion that result with combinating it with 1.5 kg of matter would yield 2.7E17 joules (64.3 megatons ) or amount of energy that 2,700,000 terrawatt gives off in a second. At that rate it requires 25,926 photon torpedoes.

And what about the Hull of a star destroyer, it cladded in Neutronium., even if you can beam it thru the shield you would not be able to get thru the hull.

Starfleet doesnot stand a chance

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Report this Jun. 09 2004, 5:05 am

Problem is, Star Wars got millions of years advantages.

What we saw in SW was a long time ago. On ST's time, SW would be more advance somemore, assuming they don't trash themselves to bits.

Problem with SW, is to get to where they are in tech. advancement, they risk blindly making contacts with other species too soon, even "pre-warp" type of people.

Hence the result, too much chaos, bad people, greedy people, etc.

They may have a whole galaxy contacted, but they aren't living a peaceful life.

ST. when given the same amount of time as SW, ST would be more advance & powerful because instead of thrashing eachother, ST is set out to explore & research to develope more advance technologies.

By ST's 31st Century, they can 'trash' the current SW's galaxy without a single challenge.

See the differences.
SW had over 4,000 years to advance, but all they got is what's shown in SW 4, 5 & 6.

ST on the other hand, only got 900 years & they become so powerful.

that's what SW gets for rushing things.
Slow & steady will win the race :;):

ST will prevail. :)

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Report this Jun. 09 2004, 5:50 am

Quote (Vold @ June 09 2004, 2:05 am)
Problem is, Star Wars got millions of years advantages.

What we saw in SW was a long time ago. On ST's time, SW would be more advance somemore, assuming they don't trash themselves to bits.

Problem with SW, is to get to where they are in tech. advancement, they risk blindly making contacts with other species too soon, even "pre-warp" type of people.

Hence the result, too much chaos, bad people, greedy people, etc.

They may have a whole galaxy contacted, but they aren't living a peaceful life.

ST. when given the same amount of time as SW, ST would be more advance & powerful because instead of thrashing eachother, ST is set out to explore & research to develope more advance technologies.

By ST's 31st Century, they can 'trash' the current SW's galaxy without a single challenge.

See the differences.
SW had over 4,000 years to advance, but all they got is what's shown in SW 4, 5 & 6.

ST on the other hand, only got 900 years & they become so powerful.

that's what SW gets for rushing things.
Slow & steady will win the race :;):

ST will prevail. :)

Problem is that Star trek seem to being going back ward.

In Kirk times andriods were common and Warp cores didnot explode.

Picard times, Data and lore are one of kind. Warp cores go off if you stare at them too long...

picardoftheenterprise

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Report this Jun. 09 2004, 10:19 am

Good god, what a load of bullsh@t!!! Species 8472 and the Borg would decimate anything that the pityfull Star Wars universe had to offer.

Also, I'd like to see a Stardestroyer take on the Krenim timeship, or the Voth city ship.

Lets be honest, you talk about a Stardestroyer taking a hit from a torpedo, GET A LIFE!!! The f@cking shield thingies are like big balls on the top that are easy to destroy, and it took 1 A-Wing to crash into the bridge to ruin their day.

And the Death Star? All the Borg need to do is open a Transwarp Conduit within the Death Star and bye bye BOOOOOM!!!!!

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Report this Jun. 09 2004, 12:05 pm

Quote (Homestar_Runner @ June 09 2004, 9:19 am)
Good god, what a load of bullsh@t!!! Species 8472 and the Borg would decimate anything that the pityfull Star Wars universe had to offer.

Also, I'd like to see a Stardestroyer take on the Krenim timeship, or the Voth city ship.

Lets be honest, you talk about a Stardestroyer taking a hit from a torpedo, GET A LIFE!!! The f@cking shield thingies are like big balls on the top that are easy to destroy, and it took 1 A-Wing to crash into the bridge to ruin their day.

And the Death Star? All the Borg need to do is open a Transwarp Conduit within the Death Star and bye bye BOOOOOM!!!!!

Stargate has about the most dominet ships, the 303, I don't really think it could stand up to anything larger than a defiant. But the Goa'lud and the Asgard, if they both went after either the Star Wars or Star Trek Galaxy theres no way the could loose.

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Report this Jun. 09 2004, 12:40 pm

Quote (Homestar_Runner @ June 09 2004, 7:19 am)
Good god, what a load of bullsh@t!!! Species 8472 and the Borg would decimate anything that the pityfull Star Wars universe had to offer.

Also, I'd like to see a Stardestroyer take on the Krenim timeship, or the Voth city ship.

Lets be honest, you talk about a Stardestroyer taking a hit from a torpedo, GET A LIFE!!! The f@cking shield thingies are like big balls on the top that are easy to destroy, and it took 1 A-Wing to crash into the bridge to ruin their day.

And the Death Star? All the Borg need to do is open a Transwarp Conduit within the Death Star and bye bye BOOOOOM!!!!!

You obviously know very little about Star Wars. If you wish to drag all the ST elements into the debate then you must do so for SW as well. The Executor was only destroyed by an A-wing because they lost one of their shield generators watch the movie again.

1. The Deathstars (1, 2, & prototype) can travel thru hyperspace arrive undetected in virtually any star system they want and then begin destroying planets.

2. The Sun Crusher similar to the weapon used in ST: Generations that can make a star go supernova destroying an entire system. In addition, the Sun Crusher is not a one shot deal, is impervious to damage, and can travel thru hyperspace as well.

3. Super Star Destroyers (and they are many of them) I'm not sure how big the Voth ship is or how big a Borg Cube is but a Super Star Destroyer is 16 kilometers long

4. The Eclipse Star Destroyer, like a Super Star Destroyer with a Deathstar Super Laser equipped to it.

5. The Galaxy Gun a weapon that can send a planet destroying missile thru hyperspace where it will travel undetected until just before it reaches it's destination. In other words they could destroy every Federation or Borg planet from an entirely different galaxy!  :O

6. The Force it's tough to defeat someone who can kill you by just looking at you lol.

However, I do believe that Star Trek (or at least the Federation) would always defeat Star Wars in the end because of their ability to manipulate time and the timeline (eg. Federation Time Ships) This is something that does not exist in the Star Wars universe and could not be defended against. So in the end Star Trek would win in my opinion, just not in a straight out ship to ship battle

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Report this Jun. 09 2004, 3:40 pm

Does anyone know much about the sheild generators on Goa'lud ships, I mean, the main battle ships. Plus, I think that the goa'lud have many more fighters than in starwars... I like Death Gliders...

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Report this Jun. 09 2004, 4:16 pm

Quote (gold53 @ June 09 2004, 9:40 am)
Quote (Homestar_Runner @ June 09 2004, 7:19 am)
Good god, what a load of bullsh@t!!! Species 8472 and the Borg would decimate anything that the pityfull Star Wars universe had to offer.

Also, I'd like to see a Stardestroyer take on the Krenim timeship, or the Voth city ship.

Lets be honest, you talk about a Stardestroyer taking a hit from a torpedo, GET A LIFE!!! The f@cking shield thingies are like big balls on the top that are easy to destroy, and it took 1 A-Wing to crash into the bridge to ruin their day.

And the Death Star? All the Borg need to do is open a Transwarp Conduit within the Death Star and bye bye BOOOOOM!!!!!

You obviously know very little about Star Wars. If you wish to drag all the ST elements into the debate then you must do so for SW as well. The Executor was only destroyed by an A-wing because they lost one of their shield generators watch the movie again.

1. The Deathstars (1, 2, & prototype) can travel thru hyperspace arrive undetected in virtually any star system they want and then begin destroying planets.

2. The Sun Crusher similar to the weapon used in ST: Generations that can make a star go supernova destroying an entire system. In addition, the Sun Crusher is not a one shot deal, is impervious to damage, and can travel thru hyperspace as well.

3. Super Star Destroyers (and they are many of them) I'm not sure how big the Voth ship is or how big a Borg Cube is but a Super Star Destroyer is 16 kilometers long

4. The Eclipse Star Destroyer, like a Super Star Destroyer with a Deathstar Super Laser equipped to it.

5. The Galaxy Gun a weapon that can send a planet destroying missile thru hyperspace where it will travel undetected until just before it reaches it's destination. In other words they could destroy every Federation or Borg planet from an entirely different galaxy! :O

6. The Force it's tough to defeat someone who can kill you by just looking at you lol.

However, I do believe that Star Trek (or at least the Federation) would always defeat Star Wars in the end because of their ability to manipulate time and the timeline (eg. Federation Time Ships) This is something that does not exist in the Star Wars universe and could not be defended against. So in the end Star Trek would win in my opinion, just not in a straight out ship to ship battle

I could sit down right now and write some stupid startrek book full of ridiculous numbers that I just pulled out of my a*s specifically to beat Starwars (the way starwars done with startrek) but it wouldn't change what is actually on screen which is allmost people care about.

On screen, Starwars users lasers, these are useless against federation sheilds.  Starwars must be without about 1km before they can actually shoot at the enemy! Startrek quotes hundreds of thousands of KM regularly and Starwars capital ships can be taken down by stupid little fighters that couldn't even fight a shuttlecraft.

Starwars ships are basically space versions of todays navy that rely on fighters (planes) to defend them.  Startrek with its quick munuvering starships with extremely long weapons ranges and sensors are clearly based on a mode advanced technology.

Quote ICS if you like but I will quote "pjbliverpools crazy book of startrek facts" which talks all about the exawatt powered phasers of starfleet shuttlecraft.  In case you hadn;t picked up on this by now I have no respect for ICS whatsoever because it was clearly written by a SW fan who spends to much time on forums like this arguing this exact topic and decided "right, im going to write a book and shut those trek fans up once and for all".  I mean, he quotes terra watt lasers on fetts ship but the damn things get shot at obi wan and only miss him by about a foot yet he is fine! lol!  Mabey fett turned the power down because he didn't want to hurt him!

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