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Borg Queens

jttm98

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Report this May. 22 2004, 4:53 pm

The borg queen is presented as the single voice of the Borg.  A unifying force.  And yet when she is destroyed she is replaced.  And she is sent on missions where there is just one cube.  So how many queens are there?  Is it one per cube - a kind of captain?  Or is she a kind of expeditionary commander?

I can't believe there is only one queen alive at any time - otherwise why would the Borg have sent her back in Generations?

Presumably she looks the same as she is constantly cloned?

ramsesqu

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Report this May. 22 2004, 7:22 pm

there are several queens.. they all located in the hive center.. like unimatrix 1 and so forth...

Vold

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Report this May. 22 2004, 10:18 pm

It is presumed that there's only 1 Queen. But everytime 1 dies they replace her with a new host body but with the same mind.

How many Queens that died in the past is unknown.

But during the Federation's encounter with the Borg. There are only 2 Queens known to the Federation & killed by the Federation.
:)

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Report this May. 23 2004, 4:59 am

Quote (jttm98 @ May 21 2004, 2:53 pm)
The borg queen is presented as the single voice of the Borg. A unifying force. And yet when she is destroyed she is replaced. And she is sent on missions where there is just one cube. So how many queens are there? Is it one per cube - a kind of captain? Or is she a kind of expeditionary commander?

I can't believe there is only one queen alive at any time - otherwise why would the Borg have sent her back in Generations?

Presumably she looks the same as she is constantly cloned?

What do you mean by:"How many"? There is no thing such as a "Borg Queen", although it is sometimes nessecary to have a drone with a special purpose, who is sometimes refered to as the "Borg Queen". The "Queen" is merely the Collective itself, as was made clear in ST-FC, not an individual drone. That drone is as expendable as any other drone, and even after its destruction, the Collective remains mostly intact, although a separated part of the Collective who looses its "Queen" may suffer some negative side effects as seen in ST-FC.
We don't know how often a part of the Collective is separated from the main collective, but we can supose it is quit often, so a special "Queen" drone is propably more common than shown in Startrek sofar. There seems to be one permanent "Queen" in Unimatrix One, since that is propably the Borg Nervecentre.

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Report this May. 23 2004, 8:26 am

My theory is that a borg queen is used to command (provide order) a relative small group of borg whenever their mission would cut off communicaiton between the hive mind and that part of the collective. Please correct my theory if you think it is not the case.

ramsesqu

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Report this May. 23 2004, 3:48 pm

personally i think the borg queen represent the unity of borg... the image of the collective, the queen herself is packed with the most advance technology the borg known. so i guess the borg express perfection through the queen

jttm98

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Report this May. 25 2004, 2:27 pm

So there is no single answer...

If I remember correctly the Borg Queen uses the word "I" instead of "we".  This would indicate she is an individual rather than the actual Collective itself - or maybe the collective thinks of itself as an individual?

Enterprise1701f

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Report this May. 25 2004, 3:56 pm

When she dies, her conciousness is transferred using subspace links to another body

Vold

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Report this May. 25 2004, 6:14 pm

Quote (Enterprise1701f @ May 25 2004, 12:56 pm)
When she dies, her conciousness is transferred using subspace links to another body

I don't think her consciousness is transfer the way you put it. Its more likely the Hivemind has a backup memory of the Queen in the Collective.

They can easily download her memories from it back in the Delta Quadrant.

All Drones have their mind in the collective, if they die, their consciousness will continue to exist in the Collective. As long as the Collective is alive that part of the Drones will remain.
They're in a way, immortal"

As for the "I we" stuff, she's an individual with the rights to think on her own to have a different view to the whole, but she is part of them as they are a part of her. She is both I & We.

In Voyager she says [I, we, us] basically she's everything, lol

Fulcrum

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Report this May. 25 2004, 10:37 pm

All theories, no facts. Time to add my theory.

There are many Borg Queen "Bodies." Everytime one of them is destroyed then one of the 2 proposed things happens, either her memory is transferred over subspace or her memory is in the hive mind and is downloaded into the new body. Why does the Borg Queen refer to herself as "I"? Because she is the acumulation of the enire Borg species. Instead of the borg talking to other species with all trillions of their members talking at once, they made one individual. This is why she refers to herself as "I". I don't think she is very crucial to the collective for the same reason, she is simply the Borg collective's attempt to create one individual.

But then again, that's just my theory...  :)

Vold

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Report this May. 25 2004, 10:55 pm

I agree on the most part, but not the last 1.

IMO, The Borg did not just made her for an individual.
Its more likely she was made at the near beginning of the Borg Collective's existence, to oversee the results of their Borg project by the original race of the Borg.

I'm sure they also realize that a fully non-individual mind is risky to leave unattended. After all they want perfection in practically anything, so its best to have both hive-mind & an individual mind.

Since its dangerous to have many individuals they decide on only 1 individual only, The Queen
much safer & efficient.
:)

Fulcrum

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Report this May. 25 2004, 11:01 pm

Quote (Vold @ May 25 2004, 7:55 pm)
Its more likely she was made at the near beginning of the Borg Collective's existence, to oversee the results of their Borg project by the original race of the Borg.

I'm sure they also realize that a fully non-individual mind is risky to leave unattended. After all they want perfection in practically anything, so its best to have both hive-mind & an individual mind.

Since its dangerous to have many individuals they decide on only 1 individual only, The Queen
much safer & efficient.

Hmm, well it might be that the Borg Queen takes in all the information from the entire collective, processes it and then presents the best solution based on the nature of the borg.

As for the original question, since we have seen 2 borg queens already destroyed, it is only logical to believe that there is more than one.

I think I'm turning into a vulcan. *shiver* Scary thought.

Vold

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Report this May. 26 2004, 12:03 am

Its either lots of them 1 in each Unicomplexes, (There are lots of Unicomplexes)

or just 1 & is replaced everytime she dies.
Her body is replaced but the mind is the same, so that she will learn from her past mistake.
:)

The Collective has proven to be able to function without a Queen IMO. At "Scorpion" the Queen may not have been rebuild after Data & Picard killed her in the past.

So it appears that the Collective is fending Species 8472 without the Queen's help.

I believe there may be a protocol where if the Borg do not have contact with the Queen in a certain period, they will start creating a new Queen assuming the last was dead.

:)

Fulcrum

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Report this May. 26 2004, 12:13 am

About time someone replied, there were about 14 posts with my name as the last poster.

There are many possibilities. The only way we can know for sure is if someone asks the Borg themselves.

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Report this May. 26 2004, 4:41 am

Quote (HimuraTB @ May 25 2004, 9:13 pm)
There are many possibilities. The only way we can know for sure is if someone asks the Borg themselves.

Or some group of people disscuss it for months & come up with a decision & make it official & display it on a series or movie stating the chosen truth. :)

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