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Nuclear Warheads VS. Star Trek Torpedoes

animal4599

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Report this May. 12 2004, 12:05 am

which is more powerful, and why?

Which is more powerful when it comes to exploding?
Is a nulcear explosion more powerful than a photon and/or quantim torpedo explosion?

Tell me which is more powerful, and why.

Giantevilhead

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Report this May. 12 2004, 12:41 am

The TNG photon torpedoes is more powerful than the most powerful powerful nuclear weapon ever built. The photon torpedo uses 1.5 kilograms of antimatter, which will annihilate equal amounts of matter, creating an explosion with a yield of about 90 megatons.

animal4599

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Report this May. 12 2004, 2:45 am

Sweeeet.....not exactly something to use on 4th of July. lol.

...Now how about Quantim torpedoes?(if that's how you spell it)

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Report this May. 12 2004, 9:25 am

Actually photon torpedoes have a exposive yield of 18.5 isotons, far more powerful then 90 megatons.

Quantum torpedoes are more powerul then photons, photons have a maximum theoretical exposive yield of 25 isotons, quantums have a potential 52.3 isotons.

I got that info from the DS9 Technical Manual, which can be considered cannon until the show contradicts it, which it hasn't.

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Report this May. 12 2004, 9:52 am

Quantum Torpedos
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The Photon Torpedo is a powerful, long range weapon which has been in use aboard Federation Starships for over one hundred and fifty years - early models differed from today's weapon only in the level of sophistication and the power of the warhead. Today the weapon most widely used by Starfleet vessels is the Type 6. This weapon comprises an elongated elliptical body some 210 cm long and 76 x 45 cm across. The torpedo masses 247.5 kilos when not loaded.
The warhead of the photon torpedo comprises a maximum of 1.5 kilos of antimatter and 1.5 kilos of matter. These are divided into many thousands of small pellets suspended in a magnetic field - smaller yields can be achieved by reducing the number of such pellets in the torpedo.

Also included in the torpedo are target acquisition, guidance and detonation assemblies and a warp sustainer unit. The latter is charged by the launching vessels own drive field at launch, boosting the torpedo speed up to Vmax = Vl + (0.75 Vl / c), where Vl is the velocity of the launching vessel. If launched at low impulse flight the torpedo will accelerate to a 75% higher sublight velocity; launch at high impulse speed will not push the torpedo into warp. If launched during warp flight the torpedo will continue at warp until the sustainer is exhausted. Torpedo range can be extended by utilizing the matter / antimatter warhead to power the sustainer, although this causes a corresponding loss of warhead yield. For a mid-range yield the torpedo can achieve ranges of some 3,500,000 kilometres at sublight speeds.

The photon torpedo can be set to fly a ballistic trajectory, be steered by the launch vessel, can home in via its own guidance systems, or use a combination of these methods in a single flight.

The warhead of a photon torpedo can be removed and replaced by sensor packages or other equipment. Some advanced models are fitted with full warp drives for use as long range high speed probes - the Class VIII probe can cover 1.12 light years at Warp 9, while the Class IX probe can cover 2 light years at the same speed. On one occasion such a device was used to transport a Federation diplomat to an urgent rendezvous.

There are currently eight major photon torpedo launch systems in use with the Federation :

Torpedo tube (2nd class) : Dating from the late 2200's, this model is now only in service on the Excelsior, Miranda, Centaur, Oberth, and Constellation classes. This tube is capable of firing one photon torpedo approximately every four seconds.

Standard Torpedo Tube : A modern version of the 2nd class torpedo tube, this model can fire a torpedo every two seconds. It is more compact than the older model, has lower maintenance requirements, and is less prone to overheating with prolonged use.

Burst Fire, Type 1 : One of the most important advances in torpedo tube technology, the burst fire tube allows more than one torpedo to be launched simultaneously. The Type 1 model can load and fire a cluster of four photons every 2.85 seconds; although this makes the tube almost three times as bulky as a standard tube, it allows many targets to be engaged simultaneously. The Type 1 is fitted to the Ambassador class as well as various starbases and space stations.

Burst Fire, Type 2 : Designed for larger vessels, the type 2 burst fire torpedo tube can fire up to eight photons every five seconds, giving a greater overall rate of fire and increasing the number of targets which can be engaged simultaneously.

Burst Fire, Type 3 : Developed to arm the Galaxy and Nebula classes, this tube can fire up to ten torpedoes every five seconds - a 25% increase over the type 3 - or alternately can fire single rounds at a high rate of fire.

Burst Fire, Type 4 : The type 4 is the most powerful photon torpedo tube currently in service with the Federation. It can fire a burst of twelve torpedoes every five seconds, and currently is only fitted to the Sovereign class battlecruiser.

Pulse Fire : Developed for the Akira class, the Pulse fire tube is a modification of the burst fire tube. The loading and pre-fire stages can hold up to four photons simultaneously, but the launch tube itself is only of sufficient size to fire one weapon at a time. The pulse fire tube therefore fires four rounds in one second, then pauses for three seconds to reload with the next four photons. Overall rate of fire is therefore one torpedo per second.

Micro tube : This system was developed to arm small vessels such as Runabouts and shuttlecraft. It fires a compact torpedo with a much smaller warhead than the standard models.


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Report this May. 12 2004, 9:59 am

In TNG, they said that the photon torpedo uses 1.5 kilograms of antimatter. That antimatter will annihilate 1.5 grams of matter, using the equation E=mc^2, you can calculate the energy yielded by that reaction, which is 2.7 * 10^17 Joules, the amount of energy generated by one megatons of TNT is approximately 2.978 * 10^15 joules, (2.7 * 10^17) joules/ (2.978 * 10^15) joules/megaton is approximately 90 megatons. Isoton is not a real unit of measurement, it was made up specifically for Star Trek like Stardates and can be changed whenever it suits the story.

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Report this May. 12 2004, 10:03 am

Quote (Giantevilhead @ May 12 2004, 6:59 am)
In TNG, they said that the photon torpedo uses 1.5 kilograms of antimatter. That antimatter will annihilate 1.5 grams of matter, using the equation E=mc^2, you can calculate the energy yielded by that reaction, which is 2.7 * 10^17 Joules, the amount of energy generated by one megatons of TNT is approximately 2.978 * 10^15 joules, (2.7 * 10^17) joules/ (2.978 * 10^15) joules/megaton is approximately 90 megatons. Isoton is not a real unit of measurement, it was made up specifically for Star Trek like Stardates and can be changed whenever it suits the story.

Not sure about that, but we know that their torps can change the yield range.

so what they said could just be what they currently used at that time.

As for stardates. TOS's stardate is crap randomly said.

But TNG - Voyager. They are all good counting. With the Stardate Converter. It calculated to perfect dating systems.

So far every stardate i tested on, Its all logical, the time, months everything. It all fits to the events that occured.

I used them dates on my timeline post. u can see what happened when, which came first & all.

Well only for those episodes that mentions the stardate, lol

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Report this May. 12 2004, 10:09 am

90 megatons is the maximum yield using 1.5 kilograms of antimatter, I'm sure that they have the ability to decrease it.

Vold

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Report this May. 12 2004, 10:18 am

they do have the ability to decrease it.

its like pulling a lever, :;):

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Report this May. 12 2004, 3:51 pm

IT'S ISOTONS NOT MEGA TONS!!!!!!!!!!!!!! but Photon, and Quantum warheads are extremely more powerful than nukes

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Report this May. 12 2004, 4:27 pm

No one on this thread has said that an isoton is a megaton.

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Report this May. 12 2004, 4:48 pm

Quote (Vold @ May 12 2004, 8:52 am)
Quantum Torpedos
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The Photon Torpedo is a powerful, long range weapon which has been in use aboard Federation Starships for over one hundred and fifty years - early models differed from today's weapon only in the level of sophistication and the power of the warhead. Today the weapon most widely used by Starfleet vessels is the Type 6. This weapon comprises an elongated elliptical body some 210 cm long and 76 x 45 cm across. The torpedo masses 247.5 kilos when not loaded.
The warhead of the photon torpedo comprises a maximum of 1.5 kilos of antimatter and 1.5 kilos of matter. These are divided into many thousands of small pellets suspended in a magnetic field - smaller yields can be achieved by reducing the number of such pellets in the torpedo.

Also included in the torpedo are target acquisition, guidance and detonation assemblies and a warp sustainer unit. The latter is charged by the launching vessels own drive field at launch, boosting the torpedo speed up to Vmax = Vl + (0.75 Vl / c), where Vl is the velocity of the launching vessel. If launched at low impulse flight the torpedo will accelerate to a 75% higher sublight velocity; launch at high impulse speed will not push the torpedo into warp. If launched during warp flight the torpedo will continue at warp until the sustainer is exhausted. Torpedo range can be extended by utilizing the matter / antimatter warhead to power the sustainer, although this causes a corresponding loss of warhead yield. For a mid-range yield the torpedo can achieve ranges of some 3,500,000 kilometres at sublight speeds.

The photon torpedo can be set to fly a ballistic trajectory, be steered by the launch vessel, can home in via its own guidance systems, or use a combination of these methods in a single flight.

The warhead of a photon torpedo can be removed and replaced by sensor packages or other equipment. Some advanced models are fitted with full warp drives for use as long range high speed probes - the Class VIII probe can cover 1.12 light years at Warp 9, while the Class IX probe can cover 2 light years at the same speed. On one occasion such a device was used to transport a Federation diplomat to an urgent rendezvous.

There are currently eight major photon torpedo launch systems in use with the Federation :

Torpedo tube (2nd class) : Dating from the late 2200's, this model is now only in service on the Excelsior, Miranda, Centaur, Oberth, and Constellation classes. This tube is capable of firing one photon torpedo approximately every four seconds.

Standard Torpedo Tube : A modern version of the 2nd class torpedo tube, this model can fire a torpedo every two seconds. It is more compact than the older model, has lower maintenance requirements, and is less prone to overheating with prolonged use.

Burst Fire, Type 1 : One of the most important advances in torpedo tube technology, the burst fire tube allows more than one torpedo to be launched simultaneously. The Type 1 model can load and fire a cluster of four photons every 2.85 seconds; although this makes the tube almost three times as bulky as a standard tube, it allows many targets to be engaged simultaneously. The Type 1 is fitted to the Ambassador class as well as various starbases and space stations.

Burst Fire, Type 2 : Designed for larger vessels, the type 2 burst fire torpedo tube can fire up to eight photons every five seconds, giving a greater overall rate of fire and increasing the number of targets which can be engaged simultaneously.

Burst Fire, Type 3 : Developed to arm the Galaxy and Nebula classes, this tube can fire up to ten torpedoes every five seconds - a 25% increase over the type 3 - or alternately can fire single rounds at a high rate of fire.

Burst Fire, Type 4 : The type 4 is the most powerful photon torpedo tube currently in service with the Federation. It can fire a burst of twelve torpedoes every five seconds, and currently is only fitted to the Sovereign class battlecruiser.

Pulse Fire : Developed for the Akira class, the Pulse fire tube is a modification of the burst fire tube. The loading and pre-fire stages can hold up to four photons simultaneously, but the launch tube itself is only of sufficient size to fire one weapon at a time. The pulse fire tube therefore fires four rounds in one second, then pauses for three seconds to reload with the next four photons. Overall rate of fire is therefore one torpedo per second.

Micro tube : This system was developed to arm small vessels such as Runabouts and shuttlecraft. It fires a compact torpedo with a much smaller warhead than the standard models.


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Report this May. 13 2004, 3:44 pm

I didn't say any one said they were the same, all I meant was that people kept using megaton and not Isoton

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Report this May. 13 2004, 11:42 pm

Ok, i've noticed that on a TNG episode the Enterprise fired a phaser that laser that comes out of the saucer, it drilled a pretty deep hole (the crew beamed down and you could see the hole) but it must have been only 30 ft in diameter, does that mean it's concentrated, or maybe it's only at 10% of the damage it could do.

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Report this May. 14 2004, 2:16 am

Quote (Enterprise1701f @ May 13 2004, 12:44 pm)
I didn't say any one said they were the same, all I meant was that people kept using megaton and not Isoton

That's because megaton is a unit of measurement that actually exists and is used in real scientific calculations, isoton is something that they just made up for Star Trek.

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