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Warp Drive or Hyper Drive

Admiral2Q

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Report this Jun. 02 2004, 5:26 pm

Hyper Drive is faster because they can travel across their universe in a month unlike the warp drives 1-9 because it would take at least 100 years to go that far but warp drive is a possibility that could possibly happenbut not in the 22nd century.

Alectothefurious

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Report this Jun. 02 2004, 6:08 pm

you mean galaxy

Gold_53

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Report this Jun. 03 2004, 2:25 am

I consider myself somewhat of an expert regarding Star Wars, and I will state it again.

When they say they are making the jump to light speed in SW it does not necessarily mean they are going into hyperspace.

Han also says in A New Hope

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"I've outrun Imperial starships, not the local bulk-cruisers, mind you.  I'm talking about the big Corellian ships now. She's fast enough for you, old man."


Unless ships travel at different speeds in hyperspace how can this quote even make any sense at all. It's obvious that the intention is that some ships travel faster in hyperspace than others.

In addition, in The Empire Strikes Back the Falcon travels from the Hoth system to Anoat to Bespin without Hyperdrive in the course of a few months based on the books. The distance between Hoth to Anoat to Bespin is slightly over 1 parsec. Given this fact how is it that a ship unable to travel at the speed of light could cover a parsec in a few months? The only answer is that the Falcon can attain faster than light speeds without hyperdrive and hyperdrive is simply the method used to travel great distances across the galaxy that would normally be impossible.

As for the size of the SW galaxy well it is stated in several books that the Star Wars galaxy has several hundred billion stars and is 120,000 light years in diameter! In contrast the Milky Way Galaxy is about 100,000 light-years in diameter which is obviously smaller than the Star Wars galaxy.

That being said being able to travel from one end of the galaxy to the other in a matter of weeks via hyperspace IS much much much faster than standard warp drive 9.9, 9.95, etc. Taking all this into account excluding other ST methods of travel like transwarp, slipstream, or even warp 10 it's completely obvious and UNDENIABLE that hyperspace is faster than warp drive regardless whether it has any basis in real science or not.

:cool:

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Report this Jun. 03 2004, 3:21 pm

Quote (gold53 @ June 02 2004, 12:25 am)
I consider myself somewhat of an expert regarding Star Wars, and I will state it again.

When they say they are making the jump to light speed in SW it does not necessarily mean they are going into hyperspace.

Han also says in A New Hope

Quote
"I've outrun Imperial starships, not the local bulk-cruisers, mind you. I'm talking about the big Corellian ships now. She's fast enough for you, old man."


Unless ships travel at different speeds in hyperspace how can this quote even make any sense at all. It's obvious that the intention is that some ships travel faster in hyperspace than others.

In addition, in The Empire Strikes Back the Falcon travels from the Hoth system to Anoat to Bespin without Hyperdrive in the course of a few months based on the books. The distance between Hoth to Anoat to Bespin is slightly over 1 parsec. Given this fact how is it that a ship unable to travel at the speed of light could cover a parsec in a few months? The only answer is that the Falcon can attain faster than light speeds without hyperdrive and hyperdrive is simply the method used to travel great distances across the galaxy that would normally be impossible.

As for the size of the SW galaxy well it is stated in several books that the Star Wars galaxy has several hundred billion stars and is 120,000 light years in diameter! In contrast the Milky Way Galaxy is about 100,000 light-years in diameter which is obviously smaller than the Star Wars galaxy.

That being said being able to travel from one end of the galaxy to the other in a matter of weeks via hyperspace IS much much much faster than standard warp drive 9.9, 9.95, etc. Taking all this into account excluding other ST methods of travel like transwarp, slipstream, or even warp 10 it's completely obvious and UNDENIABLE that hyperspace is faster than warp drive regardless whether it has any basis in real science or not.

:cool:

The parsec comment is a mistake that Lucas even admitted to haveing made.

kroa

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Report this Jun. 07 2004, 1:22 pm

I prefer warp.

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Report this Jun. 07 2004, 1:51 pm

Quote (kroa @ June 06 2004, 11:22 am)
I prefer warp.

I don't think the question is what you prefer, it is which is faster. And by the ability to travel across the galaxy in Star Wars in a relatively short amount of time, ( and everything done about hyperspace by Kaku and the likes) Hyperspace is faster...

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Report this Jun. 08 2004, 2:05 pm

Quote (Cptkirkfan18 @ May 30 2004, 11:11 am)
Warp can be used for tactics other than traveling, hyperdrive cannot do that. Star Trek's warp drive is also known as a hyperdrive (ex: in Mudd's Women, I believe that Spock called the engine a "hyperdrive")

Not true, ever heard of the Thrawn Pincer?  The great speed of the hyerpdrive allow for much better ambushes.  By contrast, ST ships using warp would be detected long before they got there.

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Report this Jun. 08 2004, 8:43 pm

since SW is fantasy and not scifi... maybe the speed of light is fast than what it is in the real world O.o In Futurama they increased the speed of light so their ships could travel faster (episode "A Clone of My Own")

"The illusion is so complete, I almost forgot I was looking at an IDIOT!!" -Cubert

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Report this Jun. 11 2004, 1:32 am

Quote (gold53 @ May 18 2004, 11:37 am)
Also you can't use SW quotes for explainations because some make no sense at all. She'll make .5 past light speed doesn't necessarily explain how fast the ship can travel across the galaxy. Han Solo also said he made the Kessel Run in less than 12 parsecs...ummm yeah that makes no sense at all. A parsec is a set distance how can the distance become shorter or longer based on the speed of the ship?

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Han's comment does not refer to speed that he did the run, but the distance he did it in.  The planet of kessel is in a very nasty region of space, lots of Black Holes and other debris.  By claimin he did it in 12 parsecs, mean he had the guts to risk himself and his ship by taking a very direct - and dangerous route, rather than a longer and safer route.

So - it was a referrence to a measure of distance, rather than time.

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Report this Jun. 11 2004, 1:53 am

Quote (synncere @ June 10 2004, 10:32 pm)
Han's comment does not refer to speed that he did the run, but the distance he did it in. The planet of kessel is in a very nasty region of space, lots of Black Holes and other debris. By claimin he did it in 12 parsecs, mean he had the guts to risk himself and his ship by taking a very direct - and dangerous route, rather than a longer and safer route.

So - it was a referrence to a measure of distance, rather than time.

I have heard this explaination before that Han took the Falcon on a dangerous route to Kessel near the cluster of black holes. But why would he make such a boast to Obi-Wan when they were talking about how "FAST" the ship was?

His piloting skills, his ships maneuverability, and his daredevil-like nature has nothing to do with how fast his ship is. Why would he make such a boast when they were strictly referring to the ships speed?

The explaination you have provided is one that was simply created to make up for an obvious dialogue mistake that Lucas made in the original movie. Though I have no doubt that Han had the ability to pilot the Falcon thru the Maw black hole cluster near Kessel it still has nothing to do with how fast his ship is. :cool:

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