Star Trek

If they are really Trek people, then they would not kill people for their opinions.

Everyone is up to their own individual opinions & also, Trek won't ignore facts, if they had any that shows SW is more advance & possibly dangerous to ST.

Ignoring it, will only bring their own downfall.

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ppl gonna kill u if u support star wars in a star trek world u know

Just because I think SW would win over ST doesnt mean that I dont Support ST...
I support the genre Sci-Fi and I love both Star Wars and Star Trek. Dont get me wrong about that.

Also the starter of the topic asked a question, I just answered with my oppinion.
If you dont like the answer, dont ask! :P
~Zalucius.

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Quote (startrekgeneral @ April 26 2004, 7:05 pm)

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questions like this are ridiculous, and have nothing to do with the forum, this is a 10 forward subject. why would you not love the aliens movies if you also love bladerunner? its all good, yo.

Well, this comes from a die-hard Trekkie so here we go...

I'm not quite sure who would win, because, to shorten it up, Star Wars has more #'s but Star Trek has better technology.  It'd be a close battle.

STAR WARS HAS:
1. The Force. Star Trek has nothing like it. There is nothing in Star Trek that can pick one up and throw one across the room, slam their head into a wall, and then stand them upright so its easier to shoot or impale them.  

2. mmm.... Lightsabers... aughghghgh.... Star Trek has nothing that can equal em. Simple as that.

3. Star Destroyers.  If an entire Federation fleet couldn't withstand ONE Borg Cube, what chance do they have against an entire fleet of ships armed with tens of thousands of laser batteries thousands of fighter attack wings?

4. The Death Star.  Ok, this about sums it up. Big freakin planet destroyin' laser cannon. If they have a weapon that can blow an entire planet to Kingdom Come, our beloved Enterprise doesn't stand a chance.

5. The Empire has a HUGE Military. Tens of thousands of ships, millions of troops, millions of fighters. Plus the Sith. Hence the name, Empire.

6. Fighters. Like, TIE Fighters, and Rebel Starfighters.  It's a helluva lot tougher to target and hit thousands of small ships than the big main one. And phasers would be freakin overkill against the fighters: they're designed to damage much bigger and heavily armored ships, not little, unshielded ones.

STAR TREK HAS:
1. Star Trek DOES have the prophets and the pah-wraiths, so maybe that could help.

2. TR-116. Sweet gun. I want one. For those of you who've forgotten, the TR-116 is a gun that fires regular bullets, and it can be armed with a miniture transporter.  The headset the user wares allows him to see through walls, and the miniture transporter allows him to fire the bullet right to the target.  The Federation would need a helluva lot more of em though. (TR-116 from DS9 episode 'Field of Fire.')

3. Transporters. Would allow them to beam onto the unshielded Imperial ships. (Well, TECHNICALLY they have shields, but they suck compared to Star Trek ones)

4. The Borg. Can adapt to whatever they encounter.  Do not have small fighters, however.  That could be their downfall.

5. Species 8472.  Are not hurt by energy weapons.  They Empire might have their hands full with them.  If we got them on are side (which I'm fairly sure we could) they just might be enough to stop the Empire.

6. Dreadnaught Missile. Star Trek's planet destroyin' equivalent.  Like a nuke, except better.  

7. Transwarp gateways.  Star Trek could use these to devestating effectiveness.  Imagine the possiblities: Sneak attacks. Ambushes. Etc, etc.

8. Cloaking devices.  Star Wars sorta has em, but not really. They kinda had a falling out after Episode 1. The Romulans, Klingons, and Cardassians could kick Imperial rear with this.

10. Energy Dampeners. When fired at a target ship, disables every device aboard. EVERY. SINGLE. STINKING. ONE. The Breen are cool.

11. Changlings. Could impersonate anything they felt like.  Including High Ranking Imperial Officers.  If they can slip past the defenses of the Federation, the Klingons, the Romulans, and ESPECIALLY the Cardassians, who are probably the most paranoid race in the galaxy, they would have no problem slipping past Imperial defense.  If kept a secret, they could turn the tide of war.

Who would win? It really boils down to this:

Star Wars has Jedi, the Force, a HUGE military force, and the Death Star.

Star Trek has Changlings, Energy Dampener Weapons, Species 8472, and Transwarp Gateways.

I'm not quite sure, I'll let YOU decide. please. post your responce to this.

1. Star Trek DOES have the prophets and the pah-wraiths, so maybe that could help
    Yah they could.

2. TR-116. Sweet gun. I want one. For those of you who've forgotten, the TR-116 is a gun that fires regular bullets, and it can be armed with a miniture transporter.  The headset the user wares allows him to see through walls, and the miniture transporter allows him to fire the bullet right to the target.  The Federation would need a helluva lot more of em though. (TR-116 from DS9 episode 'Field of Fire.')
      Your right not much of them.

3. Transporters. Would allow them to beam onto the unshielded Imperial ships. (Well, TECHNICALLY they have shields, but they suck compared to Star Trek ones)
           I always thought Star Wars shields were alot better the Star Trek shields.

4. The Borg. Can adapt to whatever they encounter.  Do not have small fighters, however.  That could be their downfall.
         Still cant figure out why people think the borg can adapt to anaything. While it is true that the Borg seem to be able to resist Federation weapons quite well once they figure out what they are, there is no indication that this means they are completely immune to any and all weapons once they figure out what they are. This myth is clearly refuted by the canon films and episodes. In STFC, we see that although a Borg cube can become seemingly impervious to the weapons of a single Federation starship, it cannot withstand the massed attack of dozens of Federation starships. This demonstrates that Borg "adapted shield" lower limits are somewhere above the firepower of a GCS and below the massed firepower of a fleet containing dozens of Federation starships. We can also see Borg cubes being blasted into fragments by Species 8472 bio-ships and destroyed by simple planetary debris in "Scorpion". And of course, we all know that Borg drones are helpless against any sort of physical attack, whether it's the claws of Species 8472, the bullets of Picard's tommy-gun in STFC, a well-thrown elbow, or one of Worf's various artfully sculpted slicin' and dicin' toys.

5. Species 8472.  Are not hurt by energy weapons.  They Empire might have their hands full with them.  If we got them on are side (which I'm fairly sure we could) they just might be enough to stop the Empire. True, the Empire would have to use the slow TIE bombers.

6. Dreadnaught Missile. Star Trek's planet destroyin' equivalent.  Like a nuke, except better.
 Cool  
7. Transwarp gateways.  Star Trek could use these to devestating effectiveness.  Imagine the possiblities: Sneak attacks. Ambushes. Etc, etc.
 
The same thing would happen for Star Wars because of the sped of hyperspace.

8. Cloaking devices.  Star Wars sorta has em, but not really. They kinda had a falling out after Episode 1. The Romulans, Klingons, and Cardassians could kick Imperial rear with this.
        Really.

10. Energy Dampeners. When fired at a target ship, disables every device aboard. EVERY. SINGLE. STINKING. ONE. The Breen are cool.
     Ion cannons do the exact same thing.

11. Changlings. Could impersonate anything they felt like.  Including High Ranking Imperial Officers.  If they can slip past the defenses of the Federation, the Klingons, the Romulans, and ESPECIALLY the Cardassians, who are probably the most paranoid race in the galaxy, they would have no problem slipping past Imperial defense.  If kept a secret, they could turn the tide of war.
      Star Wars has three species that I know of that can shapeshift: Steenes Shifters, Shi'ido's, and Clawdites.

PS.
 You could also add the suncrusher to the Empires arsonnol, it can blow up a star.

There are entire web rings dedicated to this debate. Search Google for Star Trek vs. Star Wars. There is a wealth of information which is too large to discuss here. However, I think even these dedicated sites miss some of the critical points.

First, there is the issue that this is all of Star Trek vs all of Star Wars. The phrase "united we stand, divided we fall" is particularly relevant here.

Second, there is a planet in the Delta Quadrant, I can't remember its name or episode, that exists in a significantly accelerated time frame. This planet could be used for a number of purposes.

Third, temporal technology could be used more effectively than any other, since Star Wars has no counter.

Fourth, consider a super-ship built of all the technologies of all the races here. This would be a significant extension of point one.

Fifth, not all shields block all transporters. It may be possible to beam through shields.

Sixth, there are superbeings in Star Trek.

The debate appears intended to deal with 24th century Star Trek and the latest Star Wars we the audience see.

Evidently, I support Star Trek in this contest, but it would require a significant effort to amass the necessary equipment to do so.

Wow, this sure is an apple and oranges string if I've ever seen one.

Okay, here goes. Star Trek would just KILL Star Wars. How? Well, one photon torpedo into that echo chamber where they WASTE their time floating around on antigravity disks pretending like they're the U.N. or something (and doing a pretty good job at it) ... it would all be over for the bad guys. Not to mention that Kirk would have been the leading man to ... have relations with  (can I say that?) with the Queen Whatever her name was, and she would have never conceived because of some bad bug that came from all of all of the alien planets Kirk had been sleeping around on. And thus, there would never be a Luke Skywalker son and thus, no Princess Leia either. And thus, Star Trek would have killed off Star Trek before it could even get off the ground. Plus, without a Guardian of Forever in the Star Wars galaxy, Hans Sono would never be able to come here for revenge. The sad thing is, Yoda would no doubt survive, and he would be the only being to ever give Spock a real challenge in the smarts and logic department. But of course, Kirk wouldn't have to die in Amok Time, because T'Pring would have chosen to have Spock fight Yoda to the death, only for the entertainment value.

And of course, the biggest advantage to Star Trek of all: The old books in the library and old "wayback machine" archives from the internet will be available to show Kirk and everyone else how to find the tactical flaws in the Star Wars technologies, but the Star Wars crowd will have never heard of the Star Trek Technical Manual to compensate for this tactical advantage, because it won't be invented for about 30 million years.

I like the Millenium Falcon. Its got a cool bridge. But phasers are MUCH BETTER then light sabers

If we are talking Federation vs Empire (or even better, Alpha Quadrant vs Empire), then the Empire wins without question.  And this comes to you from a Star Trek fan, before anyone starts cursing.

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in star wars they dont even have shields they have deflectors[thats how they call it] and i think starfleet weapons are much better the starwars you can take out the death star whit a few photon torpedoes  

actually i say the federation would try to get star wars to join the federation before outright attacking them, so the first blow would come from star wars

(i like both star wars and star trek)

d668,
i would have to say either one would have the first blow
who knows which star trek species would meet star wars first

It really depends on if it's the entire Star Wars Universe vs. the entire Star Trek Universe or if it's just Empire vs. Federation. If it's the entire SW Universe vs. the entire ST Universe, then Star Trek would easily kick Star Wars' butt. All they would need to do is mass produce Scimitars, load them up with Genesis torpedoes and trilithium torpedoes and give them transwarp coils. They could destroy every inhabited planet and star system in the SW Universe within a week.