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refutation of entropy

doctortobe

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Report this Jun. 24 2003, 6:24 am

Correction, instead of using the term waste, I should have said that there could be no influx of energy from another source. The exothermic reaction would have to take back in all of it’s own energy to lower entropy. That can’t happen.

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Report this Jun. 24 2003, 11:51 am

You still haven’t really defined chaos or disorder. You just said that it is created, not what it is.

If all the energy that any particular energy form was split off from was put back together by gravity for instance or just by continious energy interactions that same energy form can be created again. Any particular energy form is a result of a greater energy source interaction. Just because the energy splits off or divides doesn’t mean it can’t be put back together to repeat the transformation again.

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Report this Jun. 25 2003, 5:44 am

Chaos and disorder mean just that. In the exothermic reaction, the energy causes the surrounding air molecules to become more excited. This leads to more random movement of the molecules.

Let’s go back to the third law example I gave. You have a piece of pure crystal that is at absolute zero. All molecular motion has stopped. You could then easily find where each atom is and be confident that those atoms would be in the exact same place and position.

If you raise the temperature a little, the atoms start to vibrate and move. The atoms might stay in the same areas due to bonding, but they will not be still. Warm the temperature enough to melt the crystal, and your job is now much harder. Atoms are now shifting all over the place and it is nearly impossible to predict where the atoms are.

This is a reversible reaction, but it shows what I mean. The very fact that the universe is expanding means that you would have a better chance of predicting where every gram of matter and every joule of energy was 10 years ago then you would today.

Even if all matter in the universe were to come together in a huge ball due to gravity, the fact that the universe is expanding means that the ball would have an increased area to move in. That would mean the ball could move about more randomly. Thus entropy increases.

That’s what chaos means. Our universe is becoming more random. This is proven even more so by the fact that all reactions, no matter what, either increase net entropy of don’t increase it at all. It never decreases. That is why one-way reactions can’t be reversed without outside interferance.

To succesfully refute entropy, you must find a reaction or occurance that can be produced that would cause a greater lowering of randomness the the increase.

Entropy has been defined and proven by science. It is not just a theory, it is proven. Unless the universe stops expanding, time decides to go backwards, or the laws of nature decide to just quit. Entropy will be in existance and will always be on the climb.

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Report this Jun. 25 2003, 2:36 pm

"Even if all matter in the universe were to come together in a huge ball due to gravity, the fact that the universe is expanding means that the ball would have an increased area to move in. That would mean the ball could move about more randomly. Thus entropy increases."

Just because it could doesn’t mean that it will. I’m not sure now what your definition of entropy is. Chaos or energy loss or what? You keep changing them and keep switching from argument to argument with for no reason.


"To succesfully refute entropy, you must find a reaction or occurance that can be produced that would cause a greater lowering of randomness the the increase."

There are too many inconsistencies and contradictions in this theory for it to even be considered a coherent idea.

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Report this Jun. 29 2003, 4:53 am

Please put down all inconsistancies and I’ll try to sort them out all at once.

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