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worrying thing about star trek

Jazz_Dhadwal

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Report this Feb. 19 2003, 8:55 am

it seems everything in the future can be explained through science. the worrying thing is that science is taking over the arts and divine, that there will be nothing left for the human divinity or arts in the future, despite appreciating cultures way of life, theirs or others. but to explain something via art and religion is not possible anymore, as everything is explained by science ("radiations" "energy source" et al). this is very worrying indeed. care to comment on my view?

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Report this Feb. 19 2003, 9:51 am

That is one of the things I see as a failing of Star Trek. Christianity et. al. are dismissed as mythology. Not a very enlightened view of the future if you ask me. The kooky religions are given great respect though (Klingons, Bajorans, Indians, etc.)

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Report this Feb. 19 2003, 10:54 am

I do not see it as a failing;

I also do not see them dismissed as mythology either.
I see the lack of religions portrayed as a sign they have all learned to keep their *worshipping*, whatever the personal Religion may be, as a private thing. For oblivious reasons, we would be wise to follow that example imo.

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Report this Feb. 19 2003, 12:49 pm

Picard literally states that Christianity is mythology in TNG. But, he must respect these other kooky religions.

Ensign_Ro_Your_Boat

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Report this Feb. 19 2003, 2:25 pm

that thing that picard said about chrisianity is only his character’s opinion.

look at the origional series, they talk about there religion all the time in several episodes.in the ep where they find a planet that seems to reflect early earth only to the fact that rome won that one war they talk about "the sun". they later realize that they were talking about jesus!

and on the ep where one of the greek god trys to make them stay on "his" planet and make the enterprize crew worsip him, and how he talks of a time they were on earth and respected, kirk, at the end, explanes that they have only 1 god, and it’s good enough for them!

there are many other that express religios belief on star trek, some ppl just don’t notic. in my oppinion, star trek has actualy enriched us in our daily lives and had kind of helped us explore the reaches of the emagination with out the pink bunnies and unicorns. it is a show that helps teach us morals, the way the respect one and other and help instead of harm.

i think star trek can be mis judged and over looked when some times ppl r content to only examin 1 part of it, i’m sure the rest of u ppl have oppinions, reply to the message and express your feelings!!

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Report this Feb. 19 2003, 4:07 pm

The fact that it is a character’s opinion, meens that the writers put it into his script. Star Trek kind of got PC in the 1980s-1990s and this is one example.

There are good things about Star Trek, but I wouldn’t let it guide my life too much. Sometimes you have to be a man and make the right decision based on how you interpret right and wrong.

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Report this Feb. 19 2003, 7:53 pm

It’s all very

sarek19

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Report this Feb. 19 2003, 8:01 pm

It’s all very simple.
1) Most Christians are bigots in denial.
2) The world did not end, and sorry "He" is not coming back.
3) Even if the world did come to a fiery demise, we would have
a space faring civilization capable of interstellar colonization, therefore dismissing that threat of "doom".
4) Christianity is a narrow minded belief, and any intelligent person knows that science is proven fact and not smoke and mirrors.

Tell me is that a logical religion?

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Report this Feb. 20 2003, 10:54 am

A bigot? Who is a bigot and how?

Was the worlds supposed to end?

We are so powerful that we can outsmart God by going to another planet. It’s great to be human. (that was sarcasm)

Science has proven that it cannot explain anything. Science rests upon a paradigm that is, by its own admission, inherently flawed. Aristotle said that one counter example disproves a truth. We have plenty of counter examples of science’s current theories of everything. There are no proven facts in science. Modern science is as much a religion as Christianity and does nothing to discount Christian beliefs.

Why does religion have to be logical? If you want logic, go to electrical engineering school and you can play with logic all day.

And lastly, most of your statements reflect narrowminded thinking.

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Report this Feb. 20 2003, 1:49 pm

Is Man omniscient? -demand the mystics. Is he infallible?? Then how dare he challenge the word of god, OR of gods representative’s and set himself up as the judge of - Anything.

Intellectual Pride is not, as the mystics here would have you preposterously imply it to be- a pretense at omniscience or infallibilty. On the contrary, precisely because Man must STRUGGLE for knowledge, and because the persuit of knowledge requires EFFORT , that Men who assume this resposibility properly feel Pride.

The braggart, the boaster, the person who affects virtues he does not possess is not proud: He is merely chosen the most humiliating way to reveal his humility.

Pride is one’s response to one’s power to achieve values, The pleasure one takes in one’s own efficacy- And it is precisely that these mystics hold as evil.

-But if doubt, not confidence, is Man’s proper moral state: If self-distrust, not self-relience, is the proof of his virtue: If fear, not self-esteem, is the mark of perfection; If guilt, not pride, is his goal- then wouldn’t mental illness be the ideal?

The ppsychotics are the highest exponents of morality, and the thinkers and achievers are the sinners, thoser who are to ignorant to believe they are unfit to exist.

Humility is the basic virtue of a mystical morality. Pride has to be earned. It is the reward of effort and achievement- but to gain the virtue of humility, one only has to abstain from thinking

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Report this Feb. 20 2003, 7:10 pm

Can pride ever be justified and good? Or is it simply worshiping and adoring the creature in stead of the creator?

Were emotions like pride, hate, jealousy, etc created by the creator or are they the natural opposites of humility, love and other virues? Perhaps one cannot exist without its opposite to define it.

How can one totally and without a doubt, trust himself? For we know beyond doubt that we are unworthy of trust and imperfect. I do not think that humility, self-doubt, fear and guilt constitute mental illness, but an awareness of reality. Awareness of reality constitutes good mental health. Perhaps this is a powerful sign that we need God. Through a relationship with God the humility and self-doubt cause no distress and the fear and guilt are unnecessary.

And it was the chicken.

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Report this Feb. 20 2003, 8:52 pm

I disagree I feel science and the furthing knowledge will deeping our religious and cultural beliefs. People feel the science is taking over religion or replacing it I feel it is a counter part. They come hand in hand. You need both. Science and logic can only take you so far and vice versa for religion, but the both together will acomplish alot. Our morality defines who we are and so does our faith and for that note so does our inginuity.

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Report this Feb. 21 2003, 3:50 pm

I have to agree that a flaw within Star Trek is the fact that it doesn’t really allow much non-scientific human traits into the equation. Religion has been around almost since the dawn of man, thousands of years ago. I sincerely doubt that it will be completely wiped out and replaced by science within a few centuries. Besides, the crews of the Star Trek ships don’t reflect the general public of the future, just the space people, who are all scientists.
P.S. Religions different from Christianity are not kooky, they’re just different.

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Report this Feb. 21 2003, 4:11 pm

How do you know he isn’t coming back? Did someone/thing tell you?
I find Christianity fascinating, the way it was only ever a small cult at best but spread across most the world, when compared to other, stronger religions (Buddhism for example is almost 4000 years old and going strong) it is obvious that it is more hole-y than holy (no offence, its just an obvious pun and my inner comedian couldn’t let it go).
If science is JUST proven fact then it is as narrow minded as the religion you put down, I predict that in the future science and religion will combine, and we’ll have the best of both.

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Report this Feb. 21 2003, 4:26 pm

An omnipotent entity, performing biologicalesque reactions of a sub-atomic level, hence several million times more efficiently than a molecular level. Able to synthesise energy from a system of micro-wormholes leading to all areas within the universe with large energy yeilds, deep within its polymorphic body. A brain resembling more an atomic computer than a neural structure. A physical form that expands and is aware of all nine dimensions. Master of a plane of space, a rebuplic of recovered neuro-electrical energy patterns and advanced organic beings capable only of good.

This is my God, even if he can be explained through science, his mysticism does not seice.

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