Star Trek

Darn...it was too long.

I’ll have to break this up. Let me back up a little.
Now, on the flip side, from the Empire analysis:

In conclusion, the combined analyses from BDZ, EGWT, Shield of Lies, Slave Ship, General Dodonna’s ANH briefing, and the BTM CD all conspire to indicate that Star Destroyer heavy
turbolasers release energy at a rate of at least 1E19 watts (over 2 gigatons of TNT per second). Light turbolaser power levels are much lower, most likely in the range of 1E17 watts (over
20 megatons per second). A broadside from an ISD1 (6 heavy guns and 60 light guns) would therefore be more than 6E19 joules (14,000 megatons). The consistency of these figures is a
testament to their validity, indicating that these yields have been displayed and discussed over and over again in the official sources. The above figures are official rather than canon, but
they are actually conservative: Dodonna’s briefing and the BTM CD both suggest much higher figures. It is also possible to derive absolute lower limits based on TESB, but this is extremely
conservative since those blasts were probably low-power shots. Nevertheless, the canon lower limits would be 1500 TJ for light guns and 187,500 TJ for heavy guns. A lower-limit
broadside would therefore be roughly 1.2E18 joules (290 megatons).

:::the Enterprise has phasers that are like 100 time more powerful:::
F: and you know this how?
Me: See above. No proof, just Trekkie generalizations.

:::Secondly, SD’s only have deflector sheilds, Enterprise has multi-phasic shields:::
F: with the effect being..?
Me: I would like to, not only contest the shield strength of these 2 ships, but the validity of your comment period. I spent about 10 minutes last night going through my Star Trek Encyclopedia (covers all topic up through ST: Insurrection). I checked descriptions for the Enterprise-E AND for the Sovereign-class ship.
THE ENTERPRISE-E DID NOT HAVE MULTI-PHASIC SHIELDING. SITE YOUR SOURCE IF YOU BELIEVE THEY DO!

Now, to contest your statement. About SW "only having deflector shields". Those deflector shields obviously have to be far more powerful than Star Trek shields, simply by reasoning that their weapons can deal far more damage, and thus have to deal with more punishment.

:::Thirdly, SD’s don’t have any torpedo type weapons (I think),:::
F: and how does this matter..?
Me: An excellent point. Why does it matter?

:::the Enterprise has photon and quantum torpedoes.:::
F: exactly why is this a reason for the E-E’s victory?
Me: Ok, so what I’m doing might be a stretch, but I’m going to compare photon and quantum torpedos with proton torpedos.

For the Federation:
Quantum torpedoes are newer than photon torpedoes, but the fundamental differences and operating principles are as yet unknown. The DS9 TM states that quantum torpedo yield is
roughly 50 isotons, while photon torpedoes are limited to a theoretical maximum of 25 isotons.

Since the theoretical maximum yield from a photon torpedo is roughly 2.7E17 joules, this would suggest that a quantum torpedo’s yield is roughly 5.4E17 joules (129 megatons). We don’t
know whether quantum torpedoes will suffer from the same process inefficiencies that affect photon torpedoes, so the most conservative approach would be to assume that their full yield
will be released as destructive energy. Of this, less than half (64 megatons) would be directed against the target. This represents an effective upper limit to the energy that can be
delivered to a target vessel by a quantum torpedo.
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Conclusion

Photon torpedoes and quantum torpedoes both release energy equal to large nuclear fusion weapons. Star Wars shields have been designed to withstand such weapons- in fact,
starfighters routinely fire directed-energy nuclear weapons at capit

Continuation number 3

Conclusion

Photon torpedoes and quantum torpedoes both release energy equal to large nuclear fusion weapons. Star Wars shields have been designed to withstand such weapons- in fact,
starfighters routinely fire directed-energy nuclear weapons at capital ships with little or no effect. The ROTJ novelization specifically describes a thermonuclear explosion immediately
outside Admiral Ackbar’s bridge window in the opening minutes of the Battle of Endor, which was undoubtedly caused by a fighter-launched missile since the capital ships of the two fleets had not yet engaged in battle. This explosion had negligible effect upon Ackbar’s vessel, which is of course what one would expect. We project that our Star Destroyers should be able to withstand roughly 1000 photon torpedoes or 370 quantum torpedoes before losing shields. This estimate is based on the ISD shield strength of 1E20 joules determined in the Imperial shield analysis.

For the Empire:
Proton torpedoes are highly maneuverable; Luke Skywalker’s torpedoes easily executed a 90 degree turn within the 2 metre diameter of the DS1’s exhaust port in ANH. Based on a very
conservative travel-speed estimate of 1 km/sec, this equates to a 72,000 g turn! Proton torpedoes are also very accurate, and can strike to within 3 metres under optimum conditions
(although broadband sensor jamming tends to reduce their accuracy in battle). These torpedoes can be carried by starfighters and can potentially be used against Federation starships in a
swarming attack. This may be most useful against their smaller, more highly maneuverable starships like their Defiant-class vessels, which may be able to elude the fire from our heavy
turbolaser turrets. If this is the case, we might be able to hit them only with our light defense cannons, so these vessels would be ideal targets for fighters carrying heavy torpedoes.

The energy yield of proton torpedoes depends on the exact model being used, but the largest ones exhibit power in the megaton or gigaton range. The recoil dissipation bracings on Imperial
Star Destroyers can withstand "explosions measured in the giga-tonnage range" (ref. Slave Ship), and the Rebel fighters in Iron Fist used their proton torpedoes to blast through the hull
armour of an unshielded Executor-class Star Destroyer.



Now, Beowulf, you would stand to do a lot better in the argument if you actually backed up your claims.

Added after having to break this up:
Jeez. These boards are horrible. Who programmed these things, the hundred chimpanzees that are supposed to be working on the works of Shakespeare??

Try EZboards. They are so much more user friendly. No size limits. A more linear design. And you don’t have to open every post to read it.

Phase II was going to be a series but it was too much work at the time so they morphed it into a movie. It had nothing to do with the SW movies.

I hope he doesn’t make the 7, 8 and 9, not because of my bias to SW, but because it would screw up all the books. If he made it based on a book series like the Jedi Acadamy Trilogy or the New Jedi Order that might make for some good ones. (Those @$$holes killed Chewie! They WILL pay!)

Trek technically has 6 series (TOS, TNG, DS9, VOY, ENT, and also The Animated Adventures that only ran for 22 eps between TOS and TNG, kinda like that crappy cartoon "Droids").

Uh, most starships are equipped with tri-cobalt devices. And, I have seen a starship use that tactic before. Scotty used it once, not with a tri-cobalt device (they probably didn’t have them then) but it was some explosive. Voyager also did it by transporting a torpedo inside another ship. Another very similar tactic was used, not to get a transporter beam through but to get a shuttle through.

So you see that I am right and you are not.

Wow! We sure are a happy and friendly bunch now aren’t we?

Yup, I feel like family already.

I don’t believe anyone is doubting the validty of the action.
(BTW, The Voyager incident was at the beginning of the episode Dark Frontier Pt. 1. The borg ship was forced to remodulate its shields. The Borg Probe is what they destroyed and a ship I use in some SW RPing actually).

I believe what is being doubted is whether or not the Enterprise could put a hole in the shields of an ISD so that anything (or anyone) could be beamed in.

I’ll give you this one:
IF the Enterprise-E could punch a hole in the shields of an ISD and IF they thought to beam some form of explosive in, they could do some damage to the ship. but those are some very big IFs.

Not if an explosive was beamed directly into the main reactor.

starkiller:
this is ProvostQ from SB. I use foundation/qruryst/foundation of the realm as aliases elsewhere usually.

I’ve been doing this stuff for about 3 years now. ;) of course, you’re approaching it from a perspective that fails to take into account frequency usage of HTLs, but regardless..

later man

:::Uh, most starships are equipped with tri-cobalt devices:::

then please, why do we never see them used? they have been used exactly ONCE. this does not translate to their expected usage whenever a random trekkie desires it.

:::Voyager also did it by transporting a torpedo inside another ship.:::

note the fact that I referenced this incident before. it occurred in Dark Frontier with the borg sphere. note that the shuttle got through NOT by "poking a hole through the shields," but rather by luring the Borg vessel into dropping its shields and to assimilate and tractor in a shuttle. during that time interval, the transport was made to try and steal the transwarp coil they were after.

:::So you see that I am right and you are not.:::

actually, not a single statement you have made has been even slightly accurate for just describing Star Trek, let alone wars.

in contrast, you have simply been shoving out a pile of self-aggrandizing bull rather than proposing a clear argument.

You know what? I really don’t want to keep this up. I don’t want to fight anymore. I’m putting down my phasers and quantum torps, I hope you guys will put down your turbolasers and concussion missiles. I want a peaceful coexistence between us. Thanks.

*sniggers* so the feeble minded trekkie caved in? hmm oh well. Just as soon as you admit that the Federation would lose even if the SDs were using muskets. Cause quite seriously they’ve got the industrial capability to lay waste to the federation with just muskets...

In any case, "peace" till you start to say an E-E is equal to more than .25 of an ISD.

*sniggers* so the feeble minded trekkie caved in? hmm oh well. Just as soon as you admit that the Federation would lose even if the SDs were using muskets. Cause quite seriously they’ve got the industrial capability to lay waste to the federation with just muskets...

In any case, "peace" till you start to say an E-E is equal to more than .25 of an ISD.

gag, bloody boards you can’t even tell when you already posted. Oh well, please try to ignore the double post.

It would would help if you would stop insulting me and Star Trek.

p.s. I’m not feeble minded and I certainly DID NOT cave in! I’m just getting a little tired of going through all the previous replys to get to the end.