Star Trek

Actualy the scene in ESB with the asteriods was a ISD. not a SSD. And beyound that imperial weapons are standard. That is all Light Turbolasers on all ships have the same refire rate and firepower. as do all Medium turbolasers and Heavy Turbolasers.

I was merely pointing out another advantage the ISD has over the E-E. Ever heard of little moves called strafing a target? or maybe a hit and run?

You said that a transphasic torpedo could take out a Dstar, I tore apart you petty argument and now you pretend it doesn’t matter. sure sure.. whatever Conneccision accepted on that little part of the debate.

"Finially, I thank you very much (sarcastically speaking) for telling all your nerd buddies about me. That proves your insecurity and ignorance on this subject that you would have to share it with all those people. It would seem to me that your needing some popularity."

ROTLFMAO. Acutaly you see someone put up your petty "argument" over there and I felt like having some fun with the ignorant trekkies. That board has a dedicated debates section, where people have been arguing over this exact topic for years. As well has the ASVS.

In any case your petty personal attacks clearly demonstrate your ignorance on the matter at hand.

Transporters bah. Magnetic fields block them, not so uncommon minerals block them. And how exactly is the E-E going to punch a hole in the SDs shields anyway? Let me see if an ISD is designed to surrvive just one single broad side from another ISD it has to have shields in the high gigaton range. To surrivive a long engaugment we’re talking terraton range. (In case your not familiar with these terms go take a look at a physics book or anything that lists the meteric system.)

And beyoung that tri-cobalt bah.

How about 1 sucidal TIE vrs the E-E? Why it’s called hyperdrive RAMMING!. Now let me see... at speed of around .9c we’re talking... hmmm the E-E got killed a few hundred times over. Don’t bother with red herrings or "super special" tactics. I can match every single one of them.

:::SD’s have pittly little turbolasers:::

in comparison to..?

:::the Enterprise has phasers that are like 100 time more powerful:::

and you know this how?

:::Secondly, SD’s only have deflector sheilds, Enterprise has multi-phasic shields:::

with the effect being..?

:::Thirdly, SD’s don’t have any torpedo type weapons (I think),:::

and how does this matter..?

:::the Enterprise has photon and quantum torpedoes.:::

exactly why is this a reason for the E-E’s victory?

this is funny if nothing else..

:::The Enterprise could just poke a little hole in the sheilds of the SD:::

yet, ironically, we never see the enterprise actually conduct a strategy like this..nor any other starfleet vessel.

the closest thing was the example in Dark Frontier, however that required fully taking down the borg probe’s shielding, rather than simply poking a small hole..

:::a little tri-cobalt device:::

only seen once mind you..and never in connection with the E-E

still, funny

:::Also, how the helll would you know how much energy is released from phasers/turbolasers!?:::

umm..by approximating how much energy was required to vaporize objects of various mass..

of course, this begs the question of how you knew that phasers were "100 times more powerful" than turbolasers in the first place..

:::p.s. don’t go waving your Star Wars flag around in the Star Trek camp or you’ll likely be shot.:::

oh, just for clarification, I do enjoy most trek..I just find ignorance and arrogance to be so much fun to watch..

:::Now, I know that the only advantage that a SW ship has is speed in hyperspace:::

how do you know that this is the only advantage?

:::It can only be cannon. ONLY FROM THE MOVIES.:::

policy with SW is that there is a canon hierarchy such that the movies rank the highest, followed by novelezations and novels, then official material.

if something lower down the hierarchy is contradicted by material higher up, the lower material is deemed contradictory and unusable for discussions of canon material.

:::for telling all your nerd buddies about me. That proves your insecurity and ignorance on this subject:::

you aren’t familiar with the concept of witnessing human humor before your own eyes, are you?

oh and once again, logical error connecting telling other folks and insecurity/ignorance..

though of course, I am sure that daring to use expressions with some semblence of common sense is utterly pathetic from your perspective..in which case, you’re gonna be screwed when you try and move out of your parent’s basement.

:::Mk X phasers have a maximum range of 300,000km.:::

please, tell me how often ST battles are conducted at this range.

:::Turbolasers have a max range of 2km:::

yet, mysteriously this is a result that comes from [drum roll] GAMES!! that’s right! games!!

what next? a borg cube has only a single phaser and torp because that’s what was shown in ST:Armada?

:::Fifly, ONE transphasic destroyed a single cube, NOT several.:::

this only goes to demonstrate the total inconsistency of voyager rather than a viable combat option.

were you the only person who didn’t notice that the absorption capabilities of cubes in VOY went down exponentially as the series went on..?

You know, why don’t you just stop posting here and go away. THIS IS A STAR TREK MESSAGE BOARD FOR CRYIN OUT LOUD! JUST BUZZ OFF AND GO SOMEWHERE ELSE IF YOU LIKE STAR WARS BETTER. IF THE TREKKIES ARE PARTIAL TO PHASERS,ARENT STAR WARS FANS PARTIAL TO THE TURBOLASERS? p.s. WHat do the authors of that website know about phaser power? I’ll bet they made that up.

Oh yeah. Your part "The popularity of Star Wars convinced the ST people to start making the movies" is actually incorrect. The Movie was an evolution of the concept for "Star Trek- Phase II" which was an abortive plan to make a second Star Trek series with the original cast on a new Paramount Network. It was due to be launched in 1977, although it was cancelled. The planning went back years before. SO, because of that, they made it into a movie, instead. Also, Star Wars only has had 4 movies, with the fifth in the works, although Star Trek is due to release it’s Tenth film, Star Trek:Nemesis later this year. Not to mention that there have been 5 series, including Enterprise.

Actualy I do like star trek very much. Partial to phasers my little arse. Made up? Maybe you should look at the little thing called CALCULATIONS. Beyound that I have participated in debates similiar to these for years, and they most definatly are not made up figures. (well expect when beowolf says crap like "phasers are like 100 times stronger" without supporting it.

The author of Stardestroyer.net has a degree in engneering and has pain-stakingly investigated this topic as evidenced by his website, maybe you should take the time to read that.

So what if this is a star trek board? Does that mean I shouldn’t respond to the plainly idiotic claims being made here?

Partial to turbolasers? Yeah I think they look cooler, but I also understand that it is much harder to vaporize asteriods then it is to drill a hole through dirt.

By the way. The answer to why they dont poke a hole is because if they did, it would be a short episode. End of story

Actualy star trek Phase II was going to be a SERIS. Due to the succes of the star wars movies they canned it and decided to make a bunch of movies instead.

Stars Wars has 4 movies, with the 5th and 6th in the works, as well as a potential 7th, 8th and 9th that George Lucas might or might not make. Not to mention a very horribile christmas special, a Ewok tv seris, a shitload of comic books, and way to many novels.

So 5 seris that are essentialy filler and very little true content match up to what is generaly accepted as the best sci-fi movies made? Or at least the most well known.

::By the way. The answer to why they dont poke a hole is because if they did, it would be a short episode. End of story ::

They havn’t done it and havn’t showed the ability to do it. End of story.

Foundation,

I don’t believe I know you, but I wanted to say, this is part of why I posted here in the first place.
Everyone of these comments from this first, topic-starting post are completely unsubstaciated (sp?).

If you all don’t mind my doing so, I have plenty of time at my disposal, and can comment on these points specifically:

:::SD’s have pittly little turbolasers:::
Foundation: in comparison to..?
Me: I believe the comparison was to the ST phasers.
I could just say, visit this URL:
http://www.stardestroyer.net/Empire/Tech/index.html
But then, I would probably be accused of something like not explaining myself, or giving a website that simply has the Star Wars side of the story. Well, let me say that everything below is pull from the same website. Everything is done side-by-side.

No, I’ll just quote, as I’ve done before:
The energy absorption capability of Federation shields is roughly 1500 TJ against charged-particle weapons, and 150,000 to
200,000 TJ against EM radiation (small wonder that Picard was contemptuous of laser-armed vessels in "The Outrageous
Okona"), as described in the shielding analysis. We know that phasers can penetrate shields of this type within 5 seconds of
continuous firing, so phasers must be tactically equivalent to 300 TW plasma cannons, or 30,000 to 40,000 TW laser cannons.
This is consistent with their performance relative to photon torpedoes; since photon torpedoes release perhaps 24 megatons
of energy at the target (with the rest being wasted in inefficiencies or directed away from the ship), so it would take less than 3 seconds for a phaser beam to deliver more energy than a maximum-yield photon torpedo.

These numbers are far in excess of the figures in the TM which estimate a mere 1.02GW for the Enterprise-D’s entire phaser
array. Furthermore, they easily exceed the total power generation of DS9 (even though it mounts many phaser arrays),
which is rated at only 790 TW in the DS9 TM. However, the unique nature of the phaser NDF chain reaction, coupled with
so-called "subspace" effects, appear to offset the limitations of this low power level. In the end analysis, the actual amount of
power is totally irrelevant, but the tactical strength of phasers relative to plasma and EM radiation is relevant.

Phasers appear to be much less effective against armor than they are against shields. The TM states that 2.4TJ is sufficient
to vaporize one cubic metre of tritanium which is used in starship hulls, so if phasers were equivalent to 30,000 TW of EM
radiation they would vaporize 12,500 cubic metres of Federation tritanium starship armor every second! This obviously
doesn’t happen- phasers appear to destroy less than 5 cubic metres of starship armor per second of continuous impact, so
they seem to be tactically equivalent to 1-10 TW lasers. This is undoubtedly due to the negative impact of heavy transuranium elements on the NDF chain reaction.

Now, on the flip side, from the Empire analysis:

In conclusion, the combined analyses from BDZ, EGWT, Shield of Lies, Slave Ship, General Dodonna’s ANH briefing, and the BTM CD all conspire to indicate that Star Destroyer heavy
turbolasers release energy at a rate of at least 1E19 watts (over 2 gigatons of TNT per second). Light turbolaser power levels are much lower, most likely in the range of 1E17 watts (over
20 megatons per second). A broadside from an ISD1 (6 heavy guns and 60 light guns) would therefore be more than 6E19 joules (14,000 megatons). The consistency of these figures is a
testament to their validity, indicating that these yields have been displayed and discussed over and over again in the official sources. The above figures are official rather than canon, but
they are actually conservative: Dodonna’s briefing and the BTM CD both suggest muc