Star Trek

The answer is simple: The Enterprise-E. Hell, even Kirk’s Enterprise would win. The reason?
Mk X phasers have a maximum range of 300,000km. Turbolasers have a max range of 2km. SD do have concussion missiles, with a range of 6km. Quantum torpedoes have a max range of 4,000,000km. The battle would last at most a couple of minutes. Even the Death Star wouldn’t stand a chance. The Enterprise would simply manoeuvre around to the back and blow it apart.

So, forgive me for asking, but were you planning on telling us where you got this information, or am I supposed to "trust" you on it?

I have personally never seen those numbers. If you could site your references (and not any novels), I’ll be better able to show how your wrong and/ or show you where the Enterprise-E would fail.

why is it that every body that thinks star wars would beat star trek is because of stardestroyer.net ? oh and a sidenote : the person who wrote that website is not a nice person, because they are very rude to anyone that questions their "facts" about the star wars and star trek universe, they have tweaked certain aspects as to their liking. and star wars popularity only showed that sci-fi could make it in mainstream movies. I can’t wait for both of each franchises next movie either.

Little problems:
Quantum torpedoes
Why?
Zero point energy release, need I say more?
and:
The navigational shields will take a laser shot

ouch they are trying to blind us, fire a torpedo
torpedo away
nuts they exploded because the tropedo went through the week shields

(last time i checked a little x wing thing went throught the shields)

Actually the popularity of star trek started star wars.

Star trek started 11 years before star wars and had its first convention before star wars came to the big screen.

...and the popularity of Star Trek caused SW to make the movies in the first place.

Yeah, now a single transphasic torp could take out the Death Star with one shot.

Tell me, where are YOU getting your information? It can only be cannon. ONLY FROM THE MOVIES. Now, I know that the only advantage that a SW ship has is speed in hyperspace. That’s pretty much the only advantage. Could you please tell me what you are basing all of your technical info on? (remember ONLY cannon)

Actualy Cannon in Star Wars is described as The movies, books, comics and any and all technical manuels. (defined by Mister Lucas.)

And given the movies we know that Tubrolasers are effectivle 3 to 4 times as strong as a 1 second burst of phasers fire. Thats each indavidual BOLT of the turbolasers.

As stated by the cannon books, (ROTJ novelization actualy) Visual range is considered an incredibly rare anomela and they had absoulty no tactics for fighting at that range. Other books give ranges of 15,000 km, 70,000 km. and more.

Given the visual rate of speed for phasers ranges of 300,000 km would only be effective agasnit a stationary target. Not a moving star-ship.

Qutaum torpedoes have been see moving at around the same speed of phasers and their output is actualy less than that of a Heavy Turbo Lasers (rated in the Gigatons)

Well let me see... the movies... Well the Hoth Ion cannon fired from the planet into orbit, at least 100 km or so. In the ROTJ battle scenes turbolasers were seen going at least the length of 4 star destroyers, so around 7 km or so.

SW ships also have the advantage of being faster in sublight. Less turning but a SD would kick the E-Es *censored* in a drag race.

LOL a single transphasic torpedo? Me thinks not. It took several to blow up a single borg cube. You seriously think 1 can take out a 300 km or 900km wide station? Thats a really really good one. ROTFL

Oh and just to let you know an entire webboard is laughing their *censored* off at you. So go and take a look

http://kier.3dfrontier.com/forums/showthread.php?s=fa6710263973d8101f53dd518a316d55&threadid=21587&perpage=25&pagenumber=1

First off, where in the movies was it mentioned that turbolasers are supposedly more powerful than phasers?

Secondly, I’ve seen some moving space battles with moving targets and pretty much all were direct hits! In SW, the SD’s were so sluggish that they had to use their TIE’s to go against the rebels.

Thirdly, how exactly do you know how much power is released from turbolasers/phasers? Quotes please.

Fourthly, we’re not talking about ion cannons or drag races, just a simple one-on-one battle.

Fifly, ONE transphasic destroyed a single cube, NOT several. Do you really think that 2 proton rockets could destroy a 300km or 900km wide station? Thats a really good one. ROTFL

Finially, if you think I’m hurt by the fact that you told all your little SW nerd friends about me, I’m not phased in the least.

Alright I’m geussing my other didn’t get posted for some reason sicne I’ve refreshed it maybe 15 times so I’ll just re write it.

First: see the Asteriod Scene, Empire Strikes back, Light Turbo lasers vaporize asteriods.

Second: You’ve seen trek fight at ranges ranging form 100 to 300 meters. a far cry from 300,000km or 8 millon km.

Third: Quotes my *censored*, directly visual observation. Asteriod Scene, Empire Strikes back.

Fourth: Ion Cannons? you mean like the 60 that are on a ISD? Drag races can have an effect in a battle. The E-E might turn better, but if it can’t keep up with the ISD it dont matter.

Fifth: 1 or two it doesn’t matter. It caused a chain-reaction. And interviews with Stienbrek imply that they were specialy designed agasnit the borg. I don’t want to have to go over this bloody thing again. I’ve already gone over these scenes frame by frame before, they were chain reactions that slowly destroyed the ship. (time frame of about 1 and 1/2 seconds)

Those 2 proton torpodes set off a the main generators of the Dstar you ignorant little fool. Maybe if you had actualy wathed SW: A New Hope you’d know that. Oh and btw anything else than 300km wouldn’t be described as a small moon. And the technical commentaries say it’s around 900km or something. (memories a bit hazy about that one, it’s up there however).

Finaly, I informed that forum with a population probably 10 times as much as this pidley place is laughing their collective
/\553’5 off at you. It is composed of some hard-core trekkies, Warsies, Fivers and a host of other people. I would recoomend you go over to that forum, then the vs debates section, and post E-E vrs ISD mkII. And see what happens to you arguments.

My information concerning many aspects of Star Wars comes from the Star Wars Technical Commentaries ( http://www.theforce.net/swtc/ ).
The page was created by a college Physics professor, Dr. Curtis Saxton. I suggest looking through it.

When determining things such as turbolaser power ratings (which I believe he puts in the Terrajoules per shot range)...
Ahh, here it is. I’ll just copy-and-paste this entire passage.

Asteroids:

Observations of the star destroyer Avenger clearing asteroids in its path during operations in the Anoat system (immediately after the Battle of Hoth) indicate a lower limit on the energy delivered by a single blast from one of these ordinary turbolasers. These were probably not full-power shots, merely powered enough to remove the asteroids with minimal trouble and waste. The asteroids were on the order of several meters to several dozens of metres in diameter, and composed chiefly of iron and similar metals. For order of magnitude calculations, the melting point (1853K) and heat capacity (447 J/kg/K) of iron can be used. Stephen Cumblidge finds that the energy to melt five and twenty-metre asteroids are respectively of the order of 427 GJ and 27 TJ. A much greater energy input is additionally required once the object is melted, since it must be vaporised as well. Cumblidge reports that Peter Chung has calculated this latent heat to be ten or more times the energy require to raise the iron to melting temperature. This whole quantity of energy is delivered to the object within the duration of the turbolaser bolt, no more than a tenth of a second.

Eric Vandersall improves upon the earlier calculation by including the latent heat required for the solid-liquid and liquid-gas phase changes of the iron. For asteroids initially at a temperature of about 206K with diameters of twenty and forty metres, the energy required for full melting is respectively on the order of 32TJ and 260TJ. According to simple standard chemical data, vaporising the molten iron raises the energy requirement by roughly eightfold. This increase is not known exactly, since the whole process is non-equilibrium, supersonic and takes place in vacuo. Nevertheless, the true figure will be on this order of magnitude. Therefore, considering the fire rate of at least 1/s we can estimate a lower limit on the power of each of the small anti-starfighter cannons as between 250TW and 2000TW. The sixty-four visibly large dorsal heavy cannons must have considerably greater power than even this lower limit.

I apologize I can’t disprove anymore of your Trekkie superiority-complex induced falsities, but I have to get to class.

If I’m not mistaken, we’re not talking about a Super Star Destroyer, just a normal ISD. A SSD has significantly greater fire power per turbolaser. Also, did this "professor" actually get his book authorized by SW? because that’s the only way it can become cannon. Because if he doesn’t have to, any Bill or Joe on the street can write some fact about SW and call it cannon.

Uh, let’s see here, I wouldn’t have posted the E-E vs SD post in the first place if I didn’t watch SW-A New Hope. I’ve seen it several times over.

I just posted before this that the asteroid thing was with a Super SD which is significantly more powerful than a normal ISD or VSD.

If a SD could easily beat the E-E in a battle, why would it need to run away from it so fast? That takes care of that argument nicely.

I don’t remember how the Dstar argument got started, but that’s not part of the main topic.

Finially, I thank you very much (sarcastically speaking) for telling all your nerd buddies about me. That proves your insecurity and ignorance on this subject that you would have to share it with all those people. It would seem to me that your needing some popularity.

WHOA!! I almost forgot about my wild card! Transporters!!! The Enterprise could just poke a little hole in the sheilds of the SD and beam a little tri-cobalt device, set for 5 sec detonation, into the main reactor and BOOM!!! Bye, bye Star Destroyer!